how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats? - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Early Roster Projection
Ryan's Journey Started Early
POST DRAFT PODCAST

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-24-2007, 12:29 PM   #1
In the Starting Line-up
 
Gunnails's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Portland Oregon
Posts: 2,569
Blog Entries: 1
Default how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

I know the Pats have lots of cap, I was wondering if the tag would adversely affect the Pats somehow (hope).
Gunnails is offline   Reply With Quote
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 02-24-2007, 12:34 PM   #2
Pats, B's, Sox
 
DaBruinz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Sacshe, TX (by way of Salem,NH)
Posts: 22,617
My Mood: Amused
Default Re: how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunnails View Post
I know the Pats have lots of cap, I was wondering if the tag would adversely affect the Pats somehow (hope).
Why would it adversely affect the Patriots? Tagging Samuel lets him know that they think very highly of him and that they want to reach a long term deal that is mutally agreeable. It also says that Samuel is free to find another offer if he feels he can't reach a deal with the Pats.
DaBruinz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2007, 12:34 PM   #3
B.O. = Fugazi
 
BelichickFan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 30,551
Send a message via AIM to BelichickFan
Default Re: how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

Almost $8M of our available $26M or so. Everything hurts but we have lots of $$$ available with or without Samuel.
BelichickFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2007, 12:40 PM   #4
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
MoLewisrocks's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 19,949
Default Re: how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BelichickFan View Post
Almost $8M of our available $26M or so. Everything hurts but we have lots of $$$ available with or without Samuel.

Actually once they add in the LTBE's and make any other adjustments which hadn't been made yet last week, it will be more like $7.8M of our $30M+. And I still think it will cost $0M since we will trade him pre draft.

Which is better than what the Colts are facing with Freeney. His exclusive tag and prior amortization will take about $10.5M off their $15M or so. And reports on Indy Star last night were that NFLN is claiming he wants $9M per AND a $30M signing bonus in a long term deal. They should have let him shop himself for some nice inexpensive cap friendly picks.
MoLewisrocks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2007, 12:52 PM   #5
All Pro Poster
 
PatsFanInVa's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 17,624
My Mood: Angelic
Default Re: how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

In other words, $7.9M if he plays the season under the franchised tag. Everything else depends on how greedy he gets/how cheap the Pats are (depending on point of view.) The reality is, everything else depends on whether his expectations and the Pats' valuation are a match.

PFnV
PatsFanInVa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2007, 01:16 PM   #6
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,297
Default Re: how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks View Post
Actually once they add in the LTBE's and make any other adjustments which hadn't been made yet last week, it will be more like $7.8M of our $30M+. And I still think it will cost $0M since we will trade him pre draft.
This might go without saying, but unless we can get a Thomas or a Fletcher, it makes just as much sense to pay Asante the 8 mill to play this year, as we won't be able to spend the $ elsewhere. I think best case scenario is we do trade Asante for picks and are able to spend that 8 mill elsewhere, namely the LB position.
BradyManny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2007, 01:21 PM   #7
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
signbabybrady's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Foxboro
Posts: 8,291
My Mood: Buzzed
Default Re: how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BradyManny2344 View Post
I think best case scenario is we do trade Asante for picks and are able to spend that 8 mill elsewhere, namely the LB position.
I think Best case scenario is keep a$ante and spend the rest of the money elsewhere namely LB. not sure how youcan say best case includes losing A$ante.
__________________
"We go down to New Orleans, and ain't anybody give us a chance? Nobody! And what did we say to them?"

"DON'T TALK TO ME!!!"
signbabybrady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2007, 01:36 PM   #8
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
MoLewisrocks's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 19,949
Default Re: how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

All I know is they offered him $7.5M in signing bonus in November after which talks broke off. He wanted $10M+ AT THAT POINT, and will likely want and possibly command more, maybe as much as $12-15M in signing bonus as a FA.

I listened to BB talk about Asante on WEEI the week after the AFCC, and while he values/appreciates him and feels he has talent and has worked hard to get to this point, he also clearly feels he is a player who benefits from top coaching and playing around similarly well coached players in this scheme. That indicates to me that we are simply not going to overpay for the player, and almost $8M for one year is an overpay for this player. That $7.5M was an indication they believed he was a $5M+/- player in November, and while they may feel he's more now, I don't think it's $3M more.

And as for getting a long term deal done, once he's heard what his agent is hearing as he shops the player, and sees the offers Clements is mulling, no way he signs a long term deal here IMO. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to hear the talk shift to potential to hold out within the next month as a prelude to a trade.
MoLewisrocks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2007, 03:22 PM   #9
Second Team and Threatening Starter's Job
 
patsfanofNC12's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Greenville, NC
Posts: 1,266
Send a message via AIM to patsfanofNC12
Default Re: how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

Asante is worth the money, and we still have lots more. Plus so far we kept him out of the hands of the jets, dolphins, and
patsfanofNC12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2007, 03:46 PM   #10
In the Starting Line-up
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,448
Default Re: how big of a hit will the franchise tag on Samuel cost the pats?

Before we re-sign and trade Asante, who the hell is going to

play cornerback for us if he leaves?

Last edited by Jimke; 02-24-2007 at 03:47 PM..
Jimke is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563