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Dammit. I was thinking about something else obviously.
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Personally with the depth of this years draft class, I would rather spend cheap money on a Day 1 WR than spend good money on a number 2 or maybe 1A type of player and use any saved money to get younger on defense.
I disagree entirely with this. A rookie wide receiver has very little chance of contributing to the offense immediately. Deion Branch had 43 catches for less than 500 yards and only 3 TDs his rookie season, and that was probably about the height of what a rookie WR can bring to this offense (since Deion was pretty much NFL ready). So I think they really need to sign a veteran guy.
Having said that, Stalworth is not my choice. He is far too inconsistent, seems to be injury prone, and will cost too much money. I'd much rather see Drew Bennett signed. Kevin Curtis is another name people have been tossing around that intrigues me, but for some reason I see him commanding too much money.
I disagree entirely with this. A rookie wide receiver has very little chance of contributing to the offense immediately. Deion Branch had 43 catches for less than 500 yards and only 3 TDs his rookie season, and that was probably about the height of what a rookie WR can bring to this offense (since Deion was pretty much NFL ready). So I think they really need to sign a veteran guy.
Having said that, Stalworth is not my choice. He is far too inconsistent, seems to be injury prone, and will cost too much money. I'd much rather see Drew Bennett signed. Kevin Curtis is another name people have been tossing around that intrigues me, but for some reason I see him commanding too much money.
Nothing wrong with disagreement, lets call it "discussion".. I just look at it from a value perspective, Stallworth & Bennett are going to have a cap number of $4-6 M per year and likely expect a 4-5 year contract. A rookie WR may not produce in year 1 but will be under control for minimal money for the next 4-5 years. I would rather use the $3-4M saved on LBs or to sign Samuel than spend it on a WR.
Neither Bennett, Stallworth or Curtis are that exciting to me. I would be surprised if they would be considered top 20 WRs. Drafting a rookie is a crapshoot but they have been able to develop WRs in the past (Givens, Branch).
I think even Randy Moss has more desire to win. I think Moss has made his money and he has two good years left (hello Mr. Chad Jackson, learn). By the way, Moss for a third rounder? Why not! Thoughts?
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the only problem with a 3rd for moss, is that it would actually be a 3rd, plus 10-12M off our cap, which equals a couple really good players... a fair way to look at is, would we give a 3, samuel, and graham for moss? (their cap hits would be close to moss's)
id vote no to that
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Nothing wrong with disagreement, lets call it "discussion".. I just look at it from a value perspective, Stallworth & Bennett are going to have a cap number of $4-6 M per year and likely expect a 4-5 year contract. A rookie WR may not produce in year 1 but will be under control for minimal money for the next 4-5 years. I would rather use the $3-4M saved on LBs or to sign Samuel than spend it on a WR.
Neither Bennett, Stallworth or Curtis are that exciting to me. I would be surprised if they would be considered top 20 WRs. Drafting a rookie is a crapshoot but they have been able to develop WRs in the past (Givens, Branch).
Well I guess what we have here is differing opinions on how much the Patriots need another wide receiving threat next year. I agree that down the road, a rookie draft choice would likely end up a better bargain. Problem is, they take at least a couple years to develop, and by then they are only a couple season from free agency anyways. So you develop the guy only to lose him to the Seahawks or Titans, because they are willing ridiculously overpay for them.
I think the Patriots need a legitimate receiving threat for NEXT season. Its possible Chad Jackson will develop enough in the off-season that he can fill that role, but I'd say he's probably another year away from that. So I think it'd be worth it for the Pats to throw out a little money to get a guy like Bennett or Curtis (or even Stalworth, though like I said, he's my least favorite of the group).
The way teams beat the Pats this year was stacking the line of scrimmage, because they knew that there was very little chance of them getting burned by either a deep throw or a play-making wide receiver who could break a tackle or two. So the Patriots REALLY need to address this issue, IMO, or they will face the same problem next year. It really limits what they can do on offense, as I think we saw in the Colts loss.
Well I guess what we have here is differing opinions on how much the Patriots need another wide receiving threat next year. I agree that down the road, a rookie draft choice would likely end up a better bargain. Problem is, they take at least a couple years to develop, and by then they are only a couple season from free agency anyways. So you develop the guy only to lose him to the Seahawks or Titans, because they are willing ridiculously overpay for them.
I think the Patriots need a legitimate receiving threat for NEXT season. Its possible Chad Jackson will develop enough in the off-season that he can fill that role, but I'd say he's probably another year away from that. So I think it'd be worth it for the Pats to throw out a little money to get a guy like Bennett or Curtis (or even Stalworth, though like I said, he's my least favorite of the group).
The way teams beat the Pats this year was stacking the line of scrimmage, because they knew that there was very little chance of them getting burned by either a deep throw or a play-making wide receiver who could break a tackle or two. So the Patriots REALLY need to address this issue, IMO, or they will face the same problem next year. It really limits what they can do on offense, as I think we saw in the Colts loss.
Makes sense, maybe they do both. Sign a veteran and draft a player. We will know more in the next 2-3 weeks.
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Re: Donte' Stallworth to Pats?
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But the thing that worries me most with Stallworth was he had character issues with the team in New Orleans. Not that he was a bad guy in the locker room everyone liked him and got along with him but he was late for meeting and was often said to struggle with mental aspects of the game.
I give Stallworth a pass. He wasn't a malcontent for a winner. Rather he wasn't happy playing for a perennial loser who's HC was Jim Clueless Haslett. As soon as he goes to a functioning franchise you don't hear a peep. It's called the Dillon effect.
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I have never been high on Stallworth. Ever. Didnt like it last year probably wont like it this year but lets look at how he would be used in our system. He would no doubt have to be a #1 in our system. But the thing that worries me most with Stallworth was he had character issues with the team in New Orleans. Not that he was a bad guy in the locker room everyone liked him and got along with him but he was late for meeting and was often said to struggle with mental aspects of the game.
Such as have 140 yard game one week and then the next week catch nothing and drop 4 balls. Thats what really turned off a lot of the coaches in New Orleans which then decided to trade him for so little.
ive actually always been high on him
and thus was disapointed when i heard in training camp that he was having a lot of trouble learning the play book, and that henderson and colston were working with the first team some days over him (before he was traded), while some might have been due to the fact they knew they werent gonna be able to sign him and were thinkin bout trading him, there was a lot of talk that it was mostly due to the fact that he couldnt learn the new system under sean payton
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the only problem with a 3rd for moss, is that it would actually be a 3rd, plus 10-12M off our cap, which equals a couple really good players... a fair way to look at is, would we give a 3, samuel, and graham for moss? (their cap hits would be close to moss's)
id vote no to that
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Do you honestly think that the Pats would make that deal without a guarantee from Moss to a renegotiated contract? There is no way Moss would count that much on the Patriots cap.
Re: Donte' Stallworth to Pats?
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