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Halifax_Pats_Fan · 02-02-2007, 10:38 AM

..so what's the big deal? They are good coaches that are black, they are not 2 black men that are coaches....am I missing something? If you are a good coach, it will come out. Because they are black it is a big deal. Is it that they had the opportunity to be coaches? I don't get it....maybe cause I don't live in a racially hot US...just seems to be a couple good coaches going at in on Sunday, and by the way they are black....

I like Dungy giving them time off though, to be with family and stuff...stand up guy in my books....I still hope the Colts win....but beware, someone once told me defense wins championships....I would not be at ALL surprised if the bears win, but rexie is gonna have to hit some big plays....actually looking forward to the game this Sun, hope it is a good one....

Sean Pa Patriot · 02-02-2007, 10:46 AM

There are 2 black coaches in the super bowl??? Who would have thought that, did not hear about it??

PatsFaninAZ · 02-02-2007, 10:53 AM

I thought Dungy's quotes about it were great. It's a story because it's the first time it's happened, and because, for better or worse, young black men in this country don't have enough positive role models. The job of head NFL coach is tremendously significant -- he is the boss of other men, the captain of the ship. If making it a story increases even a little the chances that some one will see a broader horizon for himself or strive to achieve something that he might (for whatever reason) have previously thought was unattainable, that's a good thing and enough of a reason for it to be a story in the pre-supberbolw hype period.

Some really seem to be bothered by the repetition of the story. I'm not sure what skin it is off their back. Who cares? The 2 weeks leading up to the superbowl are always filled with people trying to find anything they can (and repeating it 50 times) about the sidelight stories. By Sunday it's always all about the game.

Oswlek · 02-02-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean Pa Patriot

There are 2 black coaches in the super bowl??? Who would have thought that, did not hear about it??

Wha....?

Huh?

There's a Super Bowl?! Why didn't anyone tell me?

Oswlek · 02-02-2007, 10:55 AM

My real thoughts on this are:

We will have truly moved beyond race issues in this country when this *isn't* a story.

PatsFaninAZ · 02-02-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Oswlek

My real thoughts on this are:

We will have truly moved beyond race issues in this country when this *isn't* a story.

True. But we ain't there yet. Pretending we are, or wishing we were, or ignoring the fact that we're not, doesn't do anyone any good.

The fact that we have two black NFL coaches in the superbowl is another step forward and gets us closer. And while they are not exactly Jackie Robinson, those days are not yet far enough in our past. You don't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist.

Halifax_Pats_Fan · 02-02-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFaninAZ

True. But we ain't there yet. Pretending we are, or wishing we were, or ignoring the fact that we're not, doesn't do anyone any good.

The fact that we have two black NFL coaches in the superbowl is another step forward and gets us closer. And while they are not exactly Jackie Robinson, those days are not yet far enough in our past. You don't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist.

It actually dosen't exist for me...it is a non issue....these two men are stand up men first that happen to be black...i dunno, sorry for getting this race thing going...i agree with the poster pereviously, for me it is all about the game...it just sucks that we are not in it, now go out and get #12 a NUMBER 1 RECEIVER ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

patriotsrule · 02-02-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Oswlek

My real thoughts on this are:

We will have truly moved beyond race issues in this country when this *isn't* a story.

Said by someone who is white, no doubt.

patriotsrule · 02-02-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFaninAZ

I thought Dungy's quotes about it were great. It's a story because it's the first time it's happened, and because, for better or worse, young black men in this country don't have enough positive role models. The job of head NFL coach is tremendously significant -- he is the boss of other men, the captain of the ship. If making it a story increases even a little the chances that some one will see a broader horizon for himself or strive to achieve something that he might (for whatever reason) have previously thought was unattainable, that's a good thing and enough of a reason for it to be a story in the pre-supberbolw hype period.

Some really seem to be bothered by the repetition of the story. I'm not sure what skin it is off their back. Who cares? The 2 weeks leading up to the superbowl are always filled with people trying to find anything they can (and repeating it 50 times) about the sidelight stories. By Sunday it's always all about the game.

Thank you for posting an intelligent thought on this subject. The ignorance of others on this board is why race will always be an issue in this country. If they can't see this for what it is, I feel sorry for them. It must be nice to be white and be nothing but bored by this story. It was only 15-20 years ago when there were no black coaches at all. Do we chalk that up to a coincidence? They just didn't want the jobs? It's really sad to see that most people in this country don't get it and probably never will.

***NEPatriot*** · 02-02-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Halifax_Pats_Fan

..so what's the big deal? They are good coaches that are black, they are not 2 black men that are coaches....am I missing something? If you are a good coach, it will come out. Because they are black it is a big deal. Is it that they had the opportunity to be coaches? I don't get it....maybe cause I don't live in a racially hot US...just seems to be a couple good coaches going at in on Sunday, and by the way they are black....

I like Dungy giving them time off though, to be with family and stuff...stand up guy in my books....I still hope the Colts win....but beware, someone once told me defense wins championships....I would not be at ALL surprised if the bears win, but rexie is gonna have to hit some big plays....actually looking forward to the game this Sun, hope it is a good one....

You're right, they are good coaches. But both had to wait a long time, and were often passed over for opportunities because of the color of their skin. At some point we'll get to the point where this is a non issue, however skin color still often has an influence on our society.