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Well it's not like the Pats haven't had their share of bad calls go their way in three SB winning post seasons!
ya except this is the 2nd seaosn in a row with the denver game and now indy.
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They should have officials in the booth that have all the angles and have the authority to over rule the official on the field for every close call in every playoff game. Period. Even if it goes against the Pats I want the games called correctly.
This just hit the media! Damn-it! I knew that we got screwed! GO PATS!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s a second-and-seven play on the Patriots 19-yard line. Peyton Manning sets up behind center, checks the coverage and calls for the snap. He takes a three step drop and fires the football into the end zone, aimed for wideout Reggie Wayne, who’s given Ellis Hobbs the slip and is streaking down the sideline for a touchdown catch.
But Hobbs stays with the Colts No. 2 receiver. He closes on Wayne, chopping his feet to avoid bumping into the wideout, a sure penalty since his back is to the passer. Wayne’s eyes widen, indicating the ball is on its way. Free from contact, Hobbs jumps up but doesn’t turn to look for the football, which strikes Hobbs’ left biceps from behind and falls to the turf dead.
Penalty flags fly, and referee Bill Carollo turns on his mic to let everyone know that the penalty’s on the “Defense. Automatic first down. The ball will be placed at the 1-yard line.” Manning hits former Patriot Dan Klecko for a 1-yard touchdown pass. A two-point conversion follows, tying it 21-21.
“Face-guarding,” said CBS analyst and former Giants quarterback Phil Simms during the replay. “Ellis Hobbs jumps up, just tries to get in the way of Reggie Wayne. Does not see the football. Does not play it. Easy call.”
Not so, according to replay official Dean Blandino, who joined Bob Boylston in the booth that day.
In a recent posting by Vic Ketchman, Jaguars.com senior editor, Ketchman responded to a fan’s posting about the play, writing, “You are absolutely correct. Face-guarding was discontinued several years ago and I completely missed it.”
Apparently, Ketchman had already responded to questions about the play, attributing the call to face-guarding just like Simms and countless fans across the nation who tuned in to watch the most viewed AFC Championship game in over 20 years.
There is no NFL rule against face-guarding.
“I talked to Dean Blandino in the league office and he confirmed what you’re saying,” wrote Ketchman. “Ellis Hobbs should not have been flagged for pass-interference. He didn’t make contact with the receiver and in no way did Hobbs impede Reggie Wayne’s ability to catch the pass. Blandino confirmed that the incorrect call was made. … Referee Bill Carollo made no reference to face-guarding in his explanation, but CBS analyst Phil Simms did. Apparently, he, too, doesn’t know the rule no longer exists. The next time you hear a TV analyst say, ‘he wasn’t playing the ball,’ think of the Hobbs play, then turn down the sound.”
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Let's all be honest here though. Pass Int or no Pass Int, the Colts would have gone down the field and scored anyway with the way our D was playing.
But that's the thing--even if they could have, that doesn't mean they would have. For all you know, they could have had Joseph Addai run it up the middle and then fumble. Or they might have missed the first down, and then Seymour (or Wright, etc.) could have blocked the ensuing kick.
But asking a D to stop any team's O three times from the one-yard line is asking for far too much, especially on such an awful, awful call.
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But there was NO contact, unless you're counting the ball hitting Hobbs in the back of the head as contact.
I didn't say that it should have been PI, clearly it was an incorrect call since there was no contact. I was just clarifying that a defender should turn and look towards the ball so that contact that occurs won't be called against him.
His poor technique probably did cost him the flag in this case, even though he didn't deserve it.
Not for nothing, but that's simply not even close to the rule. Contact by a player not playing the ball remains incidental unless it "restricts the receiver's opportunity to make a catch."
It's true that when one player is playing the ball and the other is not, the defender loses the ordinary presumption that contact is incidental. When people talk about "faceguarding," that is generally what it means in the NFL. Faceguarding itself is not a penalty. But if you faceguard, you lose the presumption of inadvertent contact. That's all it means though -- it doesn't mean any contact is a penalty. It just means there is no presumption. The ref has to call it 50/50 whether the contact was incidental.
Bottom line, on the Hobbs play:
1) There had to be contact.
2) The contact (not the "faceguarding") had to the cause of the receiver's inability to catch the ball. (On this second issue, you have to assume that receivers can make very difficult catches.)
Seems pretty clear to everyone that saw a replay, including the league, that 1 did not exist. If there was some contact, I think no. 2 is close.
Yes, pardon me, you are right that I wasn't using the precise term when I said "incidental". Nonetheless my point holds that if a defender is playing the ball most contact (except blatant armbarring and such) isn't called while if they don't play the ball, then just about any contact seems to be called. Unfortunately the refs blew it and called Hobbs when there wasn't any contact, but it wouldn't have been called if he had played proper technique and looked for the ball.
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