Schotty's playoff history (worse than I thought) - New England Patriots Forums

tombonneau · 01-10-2007, 11:15 AM

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Herald ran a list of Schotty's post-season results. I hadn't realized how many 4th quarter leads he's actually blown.

What I'd be most worried about if I was a Chargers fan is his last three playoff appearances -- he's certainly shown no sign of improvement, and in fact based on recent history is regressing when it comes to playoff success.

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Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer's postseason record, which stands at 5-12, will be the most discussed statistic this week. Schottenheimer earned the record through stints in Cleveland, Kansas City and San Diego.

A game-by-game look:
SeasonScore RoundSkinny
1985at Miami 24, Clev. 21 Div. Browns blow 18-point, second-half lead.

1986at Clev. 23, Jets 20 (2ot)Div. Browns score 10 in final 4 min. to force OT.

1986Denver 23, at Clev. 20 (ot) AFC titleMarty done in by Elway and "The Drive."

1987at Clev. 38, Indy 21Div. Browns build 21-7 lead and hold it.

1987at Denver 38, Clev. 33 AFC title Earnest Byner fumble kills late bid.

1988Houston 24, at Clev. 23Wild Card Browns give up 10 in the 4th to lose it.

1990at Miami 17, KC 16 Wild Card Chiefs give up 14 in the 4th to lose it.

1991at KC 10, Raiders 6Wild CardClassic Martyball victory

1991 at Buffalo 37, KC 14Div. Bills race out to 24-0 lead and cruise.

1992at SD 17, KC 0 Wild CardChiefs had beaten Bolts twice in reg. season.

1993at KC 27, Pitt. 24 (ot)Wild cardJoe Montana ties it with late TD pass.

1993KC 28, at Houston 20 Div. Chiefs pull upset behind 3 Montana TDs.

1993at Buffalo 30, KC 13AFC title Another no-contest against the Bills.

1994at Miami 27, KC 17Wild card Two second-half turnovers spell defeat.

1995 Indy 10, at KC 7 Div. No. 1 seeded Chiefs miss 3 FGs and lose.

1997 Denver 14, at KC 10 Div. No. 1 seeded Chiefs can't hold on late.

2004 Jets 20, at SD 17 (ot)Wild card Marty plays for FG in OT and misses

***BelichickFan*** · 01-10-2007, 11:20 AM

You left on out, I added it in bold for you :

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Originally Posted by tombonneau

A game-by-game look:
SeasonScore RoundSkinny
1985at Miami 24, Clev. 21 Div. Browns blow 18-point, second-half lead.

1986at Clev. 23, Jets 20 (2ot)Div. Browns score 10 in final 4 min. to force OT.

1986Denver 23, at Clev. 20 (ot) AFC titleMarty done in by Elway and "The Drive."

1987at Clev. 38, Indy 21Div. Browns build 21-7 lead and hold it.

1987at Denver 38, Clev. 33 AFC title Earnest Byner fumble kills late bid.

1988Houston 24, at Clev. 23Wild Card Browns give up 10 in the 4th to lose it.

1990at Miami 17, KC 16 Wild Card Chiefs give up 14 in the 4th to lose it.

1991at KC 10, Raiders 6Wild CardClassic Martyball victory

1991 at Buffalo 37, KC 14Div. Bills race out to 24-0 lead and cruise.

1992at SD 17, KC 0 Wild CardChiefs had beaten Bolts twice in reg. season.

1993at KC 27, Pitt. 24 (ot)Wild cardJoe Montana ties it with late TD pass.

1993KC 28, at Houston 20 Div. Chiefs pull upset behind 3 Montana TDs.

1993at Buffalo 30, KC 13AFC title Another no-contest against the Bills.

1994at Miami 27, KC 17Wild card Two second-half turnovers spell defeat.

1995 Indy 10, at KC 7 Div. No. 1 seeded Chiefs miss 3 FGs and lose.

1997 Denver 14, at KC 10 Div. No. 1 seeded Chiefs can't hold on late.

2004 Jets 20, at SD 17 (ot)Wild card Marty plays for FG in OT and misses

2006 Patriots 27 at SD 10 Chargers never really in the game despite 14-2 record going in

WaBoltsFan · 01-10-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan

You left on out, I added it in bold for you :
2006 SD 34 at Patriots 3 NE never really in the game despite 12-4 record going in

how kind of you, glad you finally see it our way.

***BelichickFan*** · 01-10-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by WaBoltsFan

how kind of you, glad you finally see it our way.

LOL. I'm not too confident about this game but when you have Belichick, Brady and a good defense anything is possible.

Flying Fungi · 01-10-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WaBoltsFan

how kind of you, glad you finally see it our way.

There will never be a day in which this NEP team gets held to 3 and allows 30+ in a playoff game.

And it matters not a whit to me that the fans of other teams cannot fathom this concept.

PatsFanSince74 · 01-10-2007, 12:43 PM

...which will get us exactly nothing on Sunday.

LT=MVP · 01-10-2007, 02:06 PM

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2006 Patriots 27 at SD 10 Chargers never really in the game despite 14-2 record going in

Take about no respect.

Ummm San Diego lowest output for the season was in week 3 to the Ravens. 13 points on the road.

next lowest was 20. We're averaging over 30 points a game.

So you're telling me that the Patriots are going to come into our house and hold us to the least point production of the year??? C'mon man. At least predict something a little more realistic.

If anything I see a close game. But there's no way you hold LT, Gates, Rivers & Jackson to 10 points that's just myopic.

onegameatatime · 01-10-2007, 03:11 PM

Several points:

This all means little. 0-1 in the last 8 years? and lost in 1997 to the eventual SB winners?

This "Schottsie will find a way to lose" idea is way overblown. If we play like we did last year, there will not be a meaningful 4th quarter anyway.

Does anyone consider that having a great regular season could be from overachieving with the talent you have? I've thought that the Eagles, for example, have been more successful than their talent over the last 5 years.

If we are doing old history, his Browns were known as the Cardiac Kids one year for last minute wins.

Although I do agree that the sneak at the end last year against the Jets was dumb, especially with bad weather and a rookie kicker (IIRC).

DagoTom · 01-10-2007, 03:21 PM

There have been some postseason games where Marty has been out-coached.

There have been a lot more postseason games where his players simply failed to execute and the team lost.

Here's an example I always use.

In '04, the game was tied going into overtime. Bolts won the toss and drove downfield into field-goal range. Marty called runs to position the ball where Kaeding wanted it placed, which was the right hash-mark.

Then Kaeding walked on the field and missed the kick.

How many times has Belichik employed pretty much the exact same strategy in a tight game where a field goal wins? And how many times did Vinatieri come on and make the kick?

But Belichik's a genius and Marty's way too conservative and should have taken shots at the end-zone and blah blah blah.

Often it's the players that make the coach look like a genius (or an idiot), and not vise versa.

wdkantro2 · 01-10-2007, 03:27 PM

The guy put the last one in just to push you Charger fans' buttons, and by golly did it work!

I don't think Schottenheimers past plays as much of a role as a lot of people. The important part is whether he adjusts or not well enough during the game. Both teams will have a good gameplan, but I think the difference will come in in-game adjustments, not on a poor decision by Schottenheimer at the end of the game.