Ghost of Ben Dreith

The Pats never performed under Carrol. There were heading to mediocrity and while the Pats did have some talent let me throw two other names out for you to place side-by-side with Carrol......Tebucky Jones, Chris Canty. I don't think I need to expound on those names and their lack of productivity for their respective draft position.

All Pete's success at USC shows to me is he can recruit well and he does know his X's and O's for a college coach. While he would be far from the worse NFL coach, I don't think his scheming would place him in the upper echelon of NFL coaches and with the talent level fairly even, there is no guarantee with him. He was mediocre with the Pats and will be mediocre again if he leaves USC.

Mussburger is just a tool.

Steamer86

While it is obvious Pete is no BB, I'm not sure anyone could have cooked a gourmet meal with the groceries Bobby Grier was buying back then.....just some terrible drafting in the mid-late 90s......Luckily Kraft realized it was a mistake to take the power from Parcells - who had drafted the core of the Superbowl team and he gave the power to BB. (BTW - don't you love seeing Parcells in agony with TO...)

2000 1 2 15 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
2 3 14 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State
3 4 33 127 Greg Robinson-Randall T Michigan State
4 5 12 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State
5 5 32 161 Jeff Marriott DT Missouri
6 6 21 187 Antwan Harris DB Virginia
7 6 33 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan
8 6 35 201 David Nugent DT Purdue
9 7 20 226 Casey Tisdale LB New Mexico
10 7 33 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia
1999s 1 4 0 0 J'Juan Cherry DB Arizona State
1999 1 1 17 17 Damien Woody C Boston College
2 1 28 28 Andy Katzenmoyer LB Ohio State
3 2 15 46 Kevin Faulk RB Louisiana State
4 3 30 91 Tony George DB Florida
5 5 21 154 Derrick Fletcher T Baylor
6 6 11 180 Marcus Washington DB Colorado
7 7 21 227 Michael Bishop QB Kansas State
8 7 35 241 Sean Morey WR Brown
1998 1 1 18 18 Robert Edwards RB Georgia
2 1 22 22 Tebucky Jones DB Syracuse
3 2 22 52 Tony Simmons WR Wisconsin
4 2 24 54 Rod Rutledge TE Alabama
5 3 20 81 Chris Floyd RB Michigan
6 3 22 83 Greg Spires DE Florida State
7 4 23 115 Leonta Rheams DT Houston
8 5 22 145 Ron Merkerson LB Colorado
9 6 23 176 Harold Shaw RB Southern Mississippi
10 7 22 211 Jason Andersen C Brigham Young
1997 1 1 29 29 Chris Canty DB Kansas State
2 2 29 59 Brandon Mitchell DE Texas A&M
3 3 1 61 Sedrick Shaw RB Iowa
4 3 29 89 Chris Carter DB Texas
5 4 1 97 Damon Denson G Michigan
6 4 29 125 Ed Ellis T Buffalo
7 5 29 159 Vernon Crawford LB Florida State
8 6 29 192 Tony Gaiter WR Miami (FL)
9 7 29 230 Scott Rehberg

Steamer86

I guess there was a pretty good 7th rounder - but that was probably just lucky.....

Pats726

Carroll wasn't that BAD a coach..I really think the poor drafting had a LOT to do about it as well. But I really think he gets pummeled when he shouldn't. He's NOT a good NFL coach..it's not his place home or what he is GOOD at. Maybe more like Pitino in roundball...but less slick. He's great at recruiting and getting great players which in college sports is where it counts. 3-4 years and GONE!! a new wave of talent..can't do that the same way in the NFL..you get rooks but others are there for the long run. Dumb comment by Mushbgr..but would I expect better?? Carroll is doing great at USC..it's the right place time for him to shine..I think he would do better now...but would be smart to stay where he shines..Look at Saban..he's headed BACK to college..it is different and many do NOT have all the organizational skills to do it.

denverpatsfan

I don't get worked up over what an annoucer may say. There are very few good announcing teams right now. Most are on radio in fact.

Yes PC is a much better college coach than NFL coach. That can be agreed upon. But please do not put all the blame on the Pats lack of success at HIS feet.

If that 97 team had stayed healthy they might have gone to the SB. KEY players were hurt on offense. Ben Coates, Curtis Martin. They only scored 6 friggin points against the hated Steelers. I remember that game vividly since I broke a lamp after the game ending turnover. The defense was playing some of the best football in the league that year. You can't blame Carrol for those injuries.

And yes the drafting was VERY sub-par that also had an impact.

Anyway it all worked out for the best for both parties. How many times that that happen.

The only way he returns to the NFL is if LA gets another team.

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VJCPatriot

Carroll is a GREAT college football coach. As a pro coach he was only mediocre. And his rah rah approach to the game might work with young adults but probably has less sway with hardened NFL veterans. I think Carroll is right where he belongs, in USC. I respect his ability but he is more suited for the college game. I don't believe the Pats would enjoy 3 superbowl wins had the Pats retained Carroll for 5 more years. Also Booby Grier HAD to GO!

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FreeTedWilliams

Is it me, or are the old time sports announcers using the Boxer's approach to retirement? Meaning as long as anyone would pay them, they will show up?

Was their anything sadder then seeeing a diminshed Dick Clark New Year's Eve?

What about Pat Summerall? He was the best in his day, but he was absolutely horrible in the Rose Bowl last year.

I remember running over Musberger in the Louisiana Superdome in 1987! This guy has been around forever.

Can't they find any "new" talent? I can't believe that ESPN does not put Jaworski in the booth, he is great!

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Fogbuster

I used to like Musberger, years ago. But now he has become a complete toad. He reads from a script always. Wouldn't be able to breathe without it.

Sad.

When are we going to get some real men and real women talking to us on the tube, instead of all these empty-headed pretty faces. Sheesh.

PromisedLand

That's a nice list but you do realize that Carroll (and Bobby Grier) were fired before the 2000 draft? Or did you think Tom Brady was a Bobby McCombine pick?

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420jim

I think Kraft did Pete Carroll a favor, I really believe Carroll would never have the success in the NFL as he is having in Collage. Carroll has two National Championships and if it wasn't for Vince Young he'd have a 3rd, put that in NFL terms and he'd be talked about like Belichick is now. Right now Carroll is king of collage, the only dumb thing he could do is think about going pro. I don't know about the rest of you, but I kind of enjoy seeing his success at USC, as long as he stay's there.

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