Is Del Rio just a sore loser, or are these comments more serious than that? - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

dtbrks · 12-28-2006, 09:01 AM

I wonder why this is not in the national news, ie, espn, etc.
doesn't seem to be getting any press

***PatsDeb*** · 12-28-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Morse

There is alot of frustration with the roughing the QB calls every week ... it seems they are untouchable ... when the QB runs, the defense expects they will slide, but when they don't it usually ends up as a 1st down. I agree with the premise that if a QB doesn't slide he is fair game ... to advocate spearing is another matter. Ingram knew exactly what he was doing and obviously he got some encouragement from his HC. It was Ingram who was called for the roughing call earlier in the game when he nailed Brady well after the throw was gone.

Del Rio should be fined and suspended for the last game of the season!

Ingram was the guy who was called for a late, but ticky tack, hit on Brady. I must agree with Jax that that call was bogus. I would have been furious if it was called against the Pats. HOWEVER, you do not repay a stupid call by the officials with an illegal hit intended to hurt Brady. It seems obvious from the comments afterwards that Ingram had a green light to take a shot if he got his chance, and he didn't waste it. Both player and coach should be fined and suspended for the final game for their illegal shenanigans. I couldn't believe the trash that came out of Del Rio's mouth; this is an NFL coach?

BradfordPatsFan · 12-28-2006, 09:14 AM

Typically players get fined for helmet to helmet contact. I wonder if Seymour gets fined for his contact with Garrard. If so, and Ingrim and/or Del Rio do not get fined, there should be an investigation.

***PatsWickedPissah*** · 12-28-2006, 09:15 AM

Just because Ingram's hit was not hard does not disqualify it as unnecessary roughing the passer. He took MULTIPLE steps toward the passer after the pass was thrown and initiated contact, shoving the passer.

Aside from that, there is a problem with all the protect the QB rules in the game. I don't have the magic solution though.

I was shocked at Del Rio's classless and stupid rant but then I remembered Freddie Smerlas' words to Steve DeOssie pre-game, "He's (Del Rio) just a stupid linebacker".

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 12-28-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BradfordPatsFan

Typically players get fined for helmet to helmet contact. I wonder if Seymour gets fined for his contact with Garrard. If so, and Ingrim and/or Del Rio do not get fined, there should be an investigation.

Helmet to helmet calls may take place in the heat of battle and be made erroneously - there was a good replay on NFL Network's game replay showing daylight between the two helmets the entire time - as I recall the game, Sey was called for roughing the passer on a late hit, not helmet to helmet, and even if he was called for an H to H, the replays would prove there was no offense in that regard.

The spearing on the other hand, it's on the tape and Dul Rio is on the record, pay up dummies.

***PatsWickedPissah*** · 12-28-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

The spearing on the other hand, it's on the tape and Dul Rio is on the record, pay up dummies.

Were I Ingram, I'd ask Del Rio to pay my fine for me after his big mouth attracted league officials necessitating action.

Then, I'd get cut.

denverpatsfan · 12-28-2006, 09:31 AM

I lost all respect for that guys coaching ability back in 2003 I think when the Pats needed the Jags to beat the Steelers in order to help their playoff seeding. He totally mismanaged the clock and the game resulting in a Steelers win.

I had mentioned that the coaching matchup last weekend was heavily in the Pats favor and that was clearly the case.

These comments just reinforce this fact.

patfanken · 12-28-2006, 09:38 AM

I hate to be a repetitive poster, but given how I feel about spearing, and how scandelous Del Rios' remarks were, I have to chime in.

I can believe the response was out of frustration for a guy who sees his job slipping down the tubes, but that isn't an excuse. He should be fined, suspended, then FIRED, in that order. Fined and suspended for the comment, then fired for the piss poor job he's done in Jax. He has had some of the best talent in the league over the last few years and has done less with that talent than most anyone could have. (maybe with the exception of Denny Green) BTW- Kudos to the Jags GM who has done His part in getting Del Rio the talent.

mikiemo83 · 12-28-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by patfanken

I hate to be a repetitive poster, but given how I feel about spearing, and how scandelous Del Rios' remarks were, I have to chime in.

I can believe the response was out of frustration for a guy who sees his job slipping down the tubes, but that isn't an excuse. He should be fined, suspended, then FIRED, in that order. Fined and suspended for the comment, then fired for the piss poor job he's done in Jax.

yeah and Mike Tice step up to HC of the JJ

Fanfrom1960 · 12-28-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NEM

Spearing is a major infraction, however, it is something that happens, inadvertantly, during the course of many games. Defensive players are moving towards a ball carrier and begin to make a move directly for a hit.... and the helmet sometimes can make contact with the player. If it does, as in this case, it is, by the rules, spearing, but in most cases it is not intentional.

Just as roughing the passer, in most cases, is not intentional...it is just the momentum of a player that cant be stopped just because a whistle may hve blown.

However, for a coach to condone a major infraction is not within the rules and thereby a punishment to Del Rio must be handed out.

If he had said that the incident was unintentional, but regrets that it happened, that would be acceptable..but to condone it.... no way.

It looked to me like Ingram went out of his way to blast Brady with his helmet. It's a lot easier and more natural for a defender to come in and lead with the shoulder on that type of play. The defender can also break his own neck spearing like that. When do fines come out?