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Daniel Graham gets named a captain, which means look for a long-term deal any day now. He's a much better blocker than Watson and his hands are more than fine, plus he's like a runaway train when he gets motoring in the open field.
Dave "Triple With Cheese" Thomas is looking like the second coming of Dave Casper. A throwback "big white-guy" tight end who runs nice routes, is strong on the block on the move with the ball and throws the highlight reel catch in for good measure here and there.
Then, you've got poor, old "Slippery Hands" Watson.
Ben comes into what was supposed to be his "breakout season" and ends up becoming the king of the greasy-ball and then, to add insult to injury, just when his season is going south, he pulls up with some mysterious, candy-arse injury!
Make no mistake: Ben Watson is this generation's Marv Cook (the Pats tight end who was replaced by the legendary Ben Coates for you bandwagon jumpers and younger fans).
Just when you thought Old Watson was about to become a star, along comes Watson's own personal "Ben Coates" in the form of Dave Thomas and before you know it, the promise becomes a memory and he's playing for some cut-rate franchise somewhere!
(I think old Marv ended up with some very bad Bears teams!)
I see Watson and his fumble-itis out of here in the offseason while Beli-oli can still get something for him.
ADPF
PS:
By the way, is it just me or does Eric Mangini look like the kid you would have loved to beat the crap out of at a keg party after you and your buddies burnt some krippy and slammed a few greenies in high school!?!?!?!
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Re: SPEC-U-LA-TION: The death knell for Ben Watson?
NFW
Yeah, Ben has been a drive killer lately but NO WAY does BB try to move him. And sure Thomas looked good. I'm a fan. But that was ONE GAME.
(Me, I never beat the crap outa nose tackles)
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Re: SPEC-U-LA-TION: The death knell for Ben Watson?
I don't see BB giving up on Watson's promise so soon. Geez, it took him longer to get rid of Bethel Johnson, who didn't show nearly as much potential upside. Give him another year, at least.
Re: SPEC-U-LA-TION: The death knell for Ben Watson?
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Originally Posted by PatsDeb
I don't see BB giving up on Watson's promise so soon. Geez, it took him longer to get rid of Bethel Johnson, who didn't show nearly as much potential upside. Give him another year, at least.
I just think Belichick HATES fumbles. HATES THEM!
I know I do!
And it's not just that, it's the general look and play of confusion Watson runs out there. He never looks like he's, for lack of a better term, "groovin'".
Re: SPEC-U-LA-TION: The death knell for Ben Watson?
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Originally Posted by Armen Da Pats Fan
I just think Belichick HATES fumbles. HATES THEM!
I know I do!
And it's not just that, it's the general look and play of confusion Watson runs out there. He never looks like he's, for lack of a better term, "groovin'".
BS, if you want to describe a member of the Pats offense who looks terminally confused out there, there is a far better example than Watson
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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck." RAH
Re: SPEC-U-LA-TION: The death knell for Ben Watson?
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Originally Posted by Armen Da Pats Fan
I just think Belichick HATES fumbles. HATES THEM!
I know I do!
And it's not just that, it's the general look and play of confusion Watson runs out there. He never looks like he's, for lack of a better term, "groovin'".
He not only has Belichick kept Kevin Faulk for the entire 6 years he has been here, he has given him a sizable extension and Faulk has had a far worse fumbling problem than Watson.
Watson is a playmaker with a fumbling problem over a month period. No way does Belichick give up on this guy any time soon.
Also, I don't feel confident that Graham will be resigned. He can get much more on the open market than he will get here. I think the captain title might have been a carrot to entice him to stay, but I think the only way he is a Patriot next year is if he is franchised.
Re: SPEC-U-LA-TION: The death knell for Ben Watson?
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Originally Posted by Armen Da Pats Fan
I just think Belichick HATES fumbles. HATES THEM!
I know I do!
And it's not just that, it's the general look and play of confusion Watson runs out there. He never looks like he's, for lack of a better term, "groovin'".
Watson's problem, as my hubby pointed out, is that he doesn't curl into the ball and protect it after he catches it. He stands up straight which allows one guy to hold him upright in the front and a second to punch the ball out from behind. Once he recovers from his injury, BB needs to teach him how to fall correctly after he makes a catch (ala the hated Deion Branch, who was very good at this).
Re: SPEC-U-LA-TION: The death knell for Ben Watson?
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Originally Posted by Armen Da Pats Fan
Ben comes into what was supposed to be his "breakout season" and ends up becoming the king of the greasy-ball and then, to add insult to injury, just when his season is going south, he pulls up with some mysterious, candy-arse injury!
I'm sick of your crap, Armen. It's one pointless thread after another.
Did you even see that play? Did not you not see the defender DRIVE into Watson's shin?
Re: SPEC-U-LA-TION: The death knell for Ben Watson?
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Originally Posted by pats1
I'm sick of your crap, Armen. It's one pointless thread after another.
Did you even see that play? Did not you not see the defender DRIVE into Watson's shin?
My crit of Watson on that play was that he wiffed a Brady pass right thru his arms right before geting nailed. Not that I wouldn't go all alligator armed seeing the approaching defender.
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This is known as "bad luck." RAH
Re: SPEC-U-LA-TION: The death knell for Ben Watson?
I think Armen's post goes WAY overboard. The physical tools Watson has, plus the promise--more than promise, delivery on promise--make him extremely valuable. He has excellent hands, excellent speed and excellent YAC abilities.
I look forward to having him and Maroney both back on the field at the same time, along with Graham. And I think if he'd been in good shape, the Jaguars' game would have been easier.
We have only very rarely had all of our best offensive players on the field in the same game. Even worse, some of our potentially best offensive players simply haven't had enough experience to make a big-time impact.
We seem to be getting healthier at the right time. I wish Maroney, Jackson and Watson had another year under their belts, but I still believe when they do, we will have an offensive juggernaut.
Armen, I think you're asking for perfection when excellence will do just fine. And I think we're going to see excellence from Ben Watson before this season is over.