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I'm with Kontradiction (backup depth for Mayo) and patsox23 (better than Alexander) on this one.
Perhaps we are assuming that just because Alexander got reps on special teams in the last preseason game and McKenzie did not, that McKenzie is incapable of producing on special teams. In my opinion he has far more upside than Alexander or Guyton - remember, he was a third round talent just a year ago. We may be putting too much stock into amount of playing time in one or two preseason games, and jumping to conclusions.
Cutting him after one training camp seems to be a huge over reaction. Unless there is something Belichick knows about that we don't - that his injury was much more severe than we thought it was, or that even after a year and a half of sitting in on meetings he can't grasp the playbook and terminology - then I don't understand why people would want to let McKenzie go so quickly.
As for the 'McKenzie hasn't proven anything, Guyton has' idea, with that reasoning we may as well let Chung, Butler, Brace, and every rookie go as well. Of course McKenzie hasn't 'proven' anything yet; he hasn't played a real NFL game yet.
Perhaps BB is bring McKenzie along slowly due to the injury. Perhaps his playing time has nothing to do with his perceived status on the depth chart - just like BJGE is not the Pats starting RB. I don't know, time will tell, but to me it's far too early to write him off. I will say that I expected him to play a lot of special teams this year; we'll have to wait and see if that will actually happen. I'm not going to assume that he can't or won't do that because of two preseason games.
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I'm with Kontradiction (backup depth for Mayo) and patsox23 (better than Alexander) on this one.
Perhaps we are assuming that just because Alexander got reps on special teams in the last preseason game and McKenzie did not, that McKenzie is incapable of producing on special teams. In my opinion he has far more upside than Alexander or Guyton - remember, he was a third round talent just a year ago. We may be putting too much stock into amount of playing time in one or two preseason games, and jumping to conclusions.
Cutting him after one training camp seems to be a huge over reaction. Unless there is something Belichick knows about that we don't - that his injury was much more severe than we thought it was, or that even after a year and a half of sitting in on meetings he can't grasp the playbook and terminology - then I don't understand why people would want to let McKenzie go so quickly.
As for the 'McKenzie hasn't proven anything, Guyton has' idea, with that reasoning we may as well let Chung, Butler, Brace, and every rookie go as well. Of course McKenzie hasn't 'proven' anything yet; he hasn't played a real NFL game yet.
Perhaps BB is bring McKenzie along slowly due to the injury. Perhaps his playing time has nothing to do with his perceived status on the depth chart - just like BJGE is not the Pats starting RB. I don't know, time will tell, but to me it's far too early to write him off. I will say that I expected him to play a lot of special teams this year; we'll have to wait and see if that will actually happen. I'm not going to assume that he can't or won't do that because of two preseason games.
They're trying to get Spikes ready to be the starter. McKenzie plays the same position. He's going to need to learn both positions while not playing much.
They're trying to get Spikes ready to be the starter. McKenzie plays the same position. He's going to need to learn both positions while not playing much.
Thanks for the correction. I actually knew that, not sure why I said that. I guess what I meant to say was that he was not in on most special teams, playing on only one of the four units.
The additional reps for Spikes makes a lot of sense as well. It also would stand to reason that they want Mayo playing together with Spikes so they can form some cohesiveness. So not only would Spikes' playing time cut into McKenzie's playing time, but the same would hold true with Mayo's playing time for McKenzie too.
This thread would have been a lot more timely had it been made after tonight's game, so some comparisons could be drawn from this offseason.
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Yes, the case for McKenzie is strong indeed. He is a highly drafted player who is of no use in 2010 and will likely be inactive for the entire year.
Yet in the end, I agree that there is room for two developmental players on the inactive roster, but only because they are unlikely to make it to the Practice Squad.
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Originally Posted by KontradictioN
I think the real premise for the thread should be "make a case AGAINST McKenzie". There seems to be a pretty solid case for him.
Guyton is a very non-physical player IMO. He can't take on guards, takes himself out of plays, just isn't very good. He's kind of similar to Alexander in that regard.
McKenzie, I think is just still learning the system, so there's hope for him. Guyton has already reached his ceiling. I still remember him going into the wrong hole during Ray Rice's run. I half think he was taking himself out of the play to avoid contact. He's monty Beisel 2.0.
This will extremely valuable in the 4 or 5 plays a year when a 4th ILB is called up to play.
I didn't realize this was going to be so incredibly difficult for you to comprehend, but the value arises if/when one or more of the starters go down with injury.
Last edited by JackBauer; 08-26-2010 at 03:28 PM..
Guyton is a very non-physical player IMO. He can't take on guards, takes himself out of plays, just isn't very good. He's kind of similar to Alexander in that regard.
McKenzie, I think is just still learning the system, so there's hope for him. Guyton has already reached his ceiling. I still remember him going into the wrong hole during Ray Rice's run. I half think he was taking himself out of the play to avoid contact. He's monty Beisel 2.0.
If I were to list the things that are wrong with this post, methinks it would be quite a lengthy list.
Last edited by JackBauer; 08-26-2010 at 03:24 PM..
Re: Someone: Make The Case For McKenzie
Re: Someone: Make The Case For McKenzie
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