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Branch wanted in the neighborhood of 7M per year. Instead of caving in we got a 2007 1st rounder.
I have a feeling with the great increases in the cap that by the 2007 draft Branch's salary demands aren't going to look the least bit out of line.
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I think Brady's confidence and comfort in Givens is being under estimated here. Yes, Reche may be just as good if not better in the future. But I think if we had David and Reche here the offense would be a lot better. I think if we had JUST lost David or JUST lost Deion then there wouldnt be a problem. But since we lost BOTH it has really held the passing game back.
Well, except for the fact that in Branch's absence Givens averaged just under 5 receptions per game for an insane 19+ yards per average (38 catches for 739 yards) and put up 4 100+ yard games. In 14 games this year Reche is averaging just under 4 receptions per game for 11.5 yards per average (53 catches for 611 yards) and he's had 1 100+ yard game. In fact in the last two weeks he's only managed a total of 7 receptions for 34 yards.
Sorry, Mo. Not sure where you got your stats, but they are wrong.
During 2004, when Branch missed 7 games (Buffalo to Buffalo), Givens averaged 4.57 catches per game for 72.9 YPG. He had 32 catches for 510 yards. Not sure where you got the 38 for 739 from.
Now, why is it that you insist on comparing the offenses and then blaming the players? The players aren't the ones calling the plays. Brady, McDaniels and Belichick are. Caldwell is the go to guy on 3rd downs, more often than not. So, his yardage isn't going to be as high.
Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks
And then there were Givens playoff performances. Maybe you should just review his Pat's bio - and then we can all hope he didn't set the post season bar too high for Reche.
Givens enjoyed a successful 2004 season, leading the Patriots with career-high 56 receptions and 874 yards. He was also able to stretch the field, with 14 receptions of 20 yards or more, including a season-best 50-yard catch against St. Louis (11/07/04).
Givens caught a touchdown pass in each of the Patriotsâ€™ three postseason games in 2004, including a 4-yard touchdown grab in Super Bowl XXXIX.
Givens exceeded 100 receiving yards in four games in 2004, the most by a Patriot in a single season in six years, dating back to when Terry Glenn also did it four times in 1999.
Givens became the Patriotsâ€™ all-time postseason leader for touchdown receptions (5) in 2004, surpassing Stanley Morgan (3).
Givens was a key part of the Patriots offense in the 2003 postseason, tying Troy Brown for the team lead with 17 receptions and leading the squad with two touchdowns.
Givens enjoyed a solid 2003 season in his second year as a pro. He led the team with seven touchdowns and finished second on the squad with 510 receiving yards. He was also a deep threat, catching nine passes of 20 yards or more.
Givens made a big impact in the Patriotsâ€™ victory in Super Bowl XXXVIII. He caught a 5-yard touchdown pass to give New England a 14-7 lead just before halftime, then grabbed two passes for a total of 43 yards on the Patriotsâ€™ key fourth-quarter touchdown drive that erased a one-point deficit and gave them a 29-22 lead late in the game.
Givens led the team in receptions in New Englandâ€™s first two postseason games in 2003 â€“ against Tennessee (4 catches) in the divisional playoffs and against Indianapolis (8 catches) in the AFC Championship Game."
No one is forgetting anything that Givens did. However, don't act like he's some hotshot that the Patriots were stupid for letting get away. Givens benefitted tremendously from the fact that he had Deion Branch opposite him drawing double teams, that he had Tom Brady throwing him the ball and Charlie Weiss calling the plays.
Caldwell hasn't done all the things you've mentioned, but Caldwell also wasn't in that offense. Caldwell has been used as a decoy on more than a few occasions during the season and opened things up for Watson and the others.