FirstAndGoal

Reality check guys. This is a league where the coaches hide their mouth behind their play cards so that lip readers can't read their lips when they call a play. This is a league where your playbook is protected at all costs. This is a league where practices are closed.

My point is that if you go and do all of that and you're too stupid to make it difficult for the opposition to figure out your calls, then it's your fault, not theirs. I put this one on the Pats staff.

FirstAndGoal

You're kidding right? Where's it frowned upon? You try to figure it out all of the time and when I was on the field, if you could figure out an audible, you used it and we did.

BelichickFan

I'm just telling you what ex-NFL players have said. Your opinion or theirs ? I'll assume they're right. I am not disagreeing with you. But they are.

FinNasty23

They said they didnt have a problem with studying the audio tape to figure out their signals. The only problem they had was that they paid for it.

Also, Salsbury has hated the Fins after we made him look stupid when he predicted us to go to the Super Bowl. However, what he fails to realize is that he makes himself look stupid all the time. No really... he does it literally every show he appears on.

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FirstAndGoal

What makes it right? Is it right because they played pro ball? I played college ball so that means that I'm right on that level? That makes no sense at all. Just because there's some talking head on the tube, it doesn't make them right. At best, it's their opinion and not a fact. If Bill B. did this, people would be praising him for his ingenuity. I don't hear anyone demanding that he treat the injury report with honesty. He makes a mockery of it and it's a joke to people. It's hypocritical to call that cheating and not the injury report.

Face it, they kicked our asses all over the field. That's all there is to it and anything else is just sour grapes. How many Patriots players have come forward and called it cheating? Did the Patriots front office file a complaint with the NFL?

BelichickFan

Guys, I am not disagreeing with you. I AGREE. I'm just saying that two out of two ex players have said it's below the belt. That's it.

FirstAndGoal

I don't have a problem with them paying for it either. Why draw the line there? I applaud them for doing it. It's the Pats fault that they are so complacent with their audibles.

TomBrady'sGoat

count me amoung the people surprised that this is news. I've just always assumed teams always did this stuff.

if this isn't common practice it's sad is that the Dolphins felt the need to do this in a regular season game. Most teams would save something like this for the playoffs. i guess they don't give themselves any chance of making the playoffs against the pats next year, or even playing a meaningful late-season game. If they do then they're just plain stupid to tip their hand.

This also seems like piling-on. if the game ends 20-17 you probably don't hear any of this. but because the Dolphins thumped the Pats their stupid (see previous paragraph) players start bragging about stealing signs. didn't one of those morons even say soemthing about the dropkick from last year (you know, from a game the Dolphins won).

Congratulations Dolphins players and fans. Enjoy the highlight of your season in week 14. Win or lose in the playoffs, the highlight of the patriots season is playing in January.

As for whether or not this is cheating, in light of Dolphins players bragging about it this is the time for the NFL to take a stance on it. If the NFL does nothing than it is accepted practice and I expect any well prepared team to study audio of their opponents.

VJCPatriot

Just saw the story broken on ESPN. Dolphins had spy tape of Brady's audio signals and figured out his protections. Hey someone actually agreed that it was cheating. Go figure! This is pretty outrageous and explains why the Pats got whipped so badly. I mean yeah the Dolphins D is good, but apparently they knew exactly what to expect and counter what the Pats were doing. Ok I don't feel so bad after all. Miami had an unfair advantage in last week's game.

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Keegs

its pretty funny that after cheating and knowing the pats pass protection calls that they only got 4 sacks.

I would expect more... like maybe 10?

after all, they were cheating.

things come a lot easier when you cheat.

******* losers

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