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I am really confused as to what the issues are here and WHAT principle he is standing steadfast on.
He was one who I thought that the Pats should draft that year..thought more 2nd 3rd than a 1st, but I thought he would be a great fit and HE WAS. But now, given this situation..I am having a HARD time understanding what his beef is with the team.
I've heard his words regarding this from the past..heard a VERY GOOD scenario on D&C...and
I am still confused as to WHAT principle he is standing up on.
It's mentioned that he was underpaid rookie contract and that happens..it's NOT like he's the only one. There is a mention about going to Kraft and being told it qill be taken care of after the uncapped year.....I think he misspoke and really meant THIS year, but the offer that the Patriots gave him was nothing at all to sneeze at...35 million over 5 years?? I think to any lineman THIS is a solid offer and would take it in an instant. Instead, Mankins turned up his njose and sat on his fanny...claiming principle.
What the heck is HIS principle that he's sitting out??? Kraft lied to him? How why?? Is taking 7 mil a year an insult?? Is THAT offer being treated poorly?? (I think all would NOT see this as the case at ALL...Logan time to get off the high horse and get your head out of your backside..) I have tried to see WHAT OTHER principle he's standing tall on..other than simple GREED..OR GREEDIER than anyone SHOULD be. Not sure there's ANY answer..really. EVEN in what he said..that Kraft told him he's be taken care of...and THAT offer is REASONABLE and fair and nothing short of that. If Mr Mankins is making a stink that he's not the TOP lineman paid..then he can take himself back to the ranch and play with the steers and STAY there. No coming back to NE or anywhere..Frankly I doubt Kraft promised him the HIGHEST contract.
So what else is there?? WHAT other reason?? I feel like his agent has not helped him and I really think he's in some kind of dream world..In bad economic times, being greedy like this is quite silly and dumb..and shows LITTLE character...BUT he may have painted himself into a corner..NOT playing this year and..if there's a lockout next, it will be 2 years NO money NO playing..and that value will GO WAY DOWN...
But what are the high and mighty principles he is playing out??? If it's greed..then he's a selfish SOB and should be gone... What OTHER real reasons are there?? Soiled athlete is something that is thrown around a LOt..maybe his picture should be there.
But I have also wracked my brains to see what/if and tried to see other angles on this..but have come up totally empty. I hear rumblings of "principle" BUT given what I have heard in audio from the past..it seems the ONLY principle is pure greed. I would like to believe it is more than that, BUT???? No idea what it would be.
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Trade him for Albert Haynsworth, or an edge pass rusher. Guards are overrated as is.
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Re: What is Logan's principle???
I genuinely believe that he just didn't like the structure of the deal with my assumption being that the guraranteed $$ is either spread out or structured in a way that he feels is not consistient to what other players in the league are receiving.
Everything else is just rhetoric (agent, Mankins, etc).
My .02$
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I am really confused as to what the issues are here and WHAT principle he is standing steadfast on.
He was one who I thought that the Pats should draft that year..thought more 2nd 3rd than a 1st, but I thought he would be a great fit and HE WAS. But now, given this situation..I am having a HARD time understanding what his beef is with the team.
I've heard his words regarding this from the past..heard a VERY GOOD scenario on D&C...and
I am still confused as to WHAT principle he is standing up on.
It's mentioned that he was underpaid rookie contract and that happens..it's NOT like he's the only one. There is a mention about going to Kraft and being told it qill be taken care of after the uncapped year.....I think he misspoke and really meant THIS year, but the offer that the Patriots gave him was nothing at all to sneeze at...35 million over 5 years?? I think to any lineman THIS is a solid offer and would take it in an instant. Instead, Mankins turned up his njose and sat on his fanny...claiming principle.
What the heck is HIS principle that he's sitting out??? Kraft lied to him? How why?? Is taking 7 mil a year an insult?? Is THAT offer being treated poorly?? (I think all would NOT see this as the case at ALL...Logan time to get off the high horse and get your head out of your backside..) I have tried to see WHAT OTHER principle he's standing tall on..other than simple GREED..OR GREEDIER than anyone SHOULD be. Not sure there's ANY answer..really. EVEN in what he said..that Kraft told him he's be taken care of...and THAT offer is REASONABLE and fair and nothing short of that. If Mr Mankins is making a stink that he's not the TOP lineman paid..then he can take himself back to the ranch and play with the steers and STAY there. No coming back to NE or anywhere..Frankly I doubt Kraft promised him the HIGHEST contract.
So what else is there?? WHAT other reason?? I feel like his agent has not helped him and I really think he's in some kind of dream world..In bad economic times, being greedy like this is quite silly and dumb..and shows LITTLE character...BUT he may have painted himself into a corner..NOT playing this year and..if there's a lockout next, it will be 2 years NO money NO playing..and that value will GO WAY DOWN...
But what are the high and mighty principles he is playing out??? If it's greed..then he's a selfish SOB and should be gone... What OTHER real reasons are there?? Soiled athlete is something that is thrown around a LOt..maybe his picture should be there.
But I have also wracked my brains to see what/if and tried to see other angles on this..but have come up totally empty. I hear rumblings of "principle" BUT given what I have heard in audio from the past..it seems the ONLY principle is pure greed. I would like to believe it is more than that, BUT???? No idea what it would be.
The homers amaze me. 35 million over 5 years is something to sneeze at. Evans and Mangold just got over 50 million dollars. If you are a big time player in this league, anything less than 40 million dollars for your first deal after playing out your rookie deal is ludicrous.
I'd consider it, yes. If the Pats struggle to stop the run, and the loss of Warren proves significant, then it should be considered. I think he's owed short money over the next 2 years, before bonuses kick in. I'm not saying to do it, as much as I'm saying I'd consider it. Guards are overrated, and as much as I'd take a draft pick for Mankins if he doesn't resign, I'd much prefer an established player, preferably a front 7 guy on D. This team has enough picks and young players to work in as is. Brady isn't getting any younger, and I would prefer a move that helps them compete right now.
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Re: What is Logan's principle???
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The homers amaze me. 35 million over 5 years is something to sneeze at. Evans and Mangold just got over 50 million dollars. If you are a big time player in this league, anything less than 40 million dollars for your first deal after playing out your rookie deal is ludicrous.
Has nothing to do with homerism IMO. It comes down to value the player and the position has to the org.
Simply put, the Pats don't think LM is Tier 1 value like they do Brady, Moss, Wilfork, Seymour (2006) or worth $40-$50m guaranteed.
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I wonder if one of you who has the ability to set up a poll would do so.
What I would really like to know is what percentage of the people who are following the Mankins contract situation think that they have reasonably certain knowledge about what Mankins was offered by the Patriots.
I would also like to know what percentage of the people who are following the Mankins contract situation think that they have reasonably certain knowledge about what Mankins thinks that Kraft promised him.
Obviously the questions can be phrased in many different ways. I would be very interested in the results.
What is Logan's principle???
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