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Old 08-22-2010, 12:47 AM   #21
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Moss won't be a decoy. Ideally we'll want to create some sort of mismatch of pulling the S down to account for one of our TE's allowing Brady to have the pick of the match ups he sees. Either way, I don't think Belichick will want us to have super quick drives (see 2007) unless its necessary. I think he prefers the time crunching, methodical drives.
I don't agree with this at all (The quick drive part). Quick drives can be extremely useful. They great early in the game if you can get a couple of quick scores and take a big lead. You put pressure on the other team and allow your offense to be run heavy. It's also helpful to have an offense that can score quickly when it comes to the end of halfs. The more weapons and more ways to score, the better. It's all about match ups. If your matched up with a weak passing D, throw all over them!
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Old 08-22-2010, 12:47 AM   #22
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When was the last time Brady connected with Moss on a deep ball?
YouTube - Tom Brady 63 yard TD pass to Randy Moss Week 10 vs.Indianapolis Colts

There might be something later, but that one came to mind first.
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If a receiver is good enough to be a decoy, it doesn't make sense to use him as a decoy all season.

If a receiver is not good enough to be a decoy, you can't use him as a decoy.
Of course you wouldn't all season. That makes as much sense as going to him continuously, allowing defenses to adjust and learn from each other, then expect him to be open late in the season (2007).

The purpose of your offense should be to put the defense on the off balance, make them pay for overplays, then make them pay when they adjust by going back to your strength.

Teams that win Super bowls almost always have multiple threats and use them, burning defenses whether they overplay or whether they don't.

I'd like to see Moss get single coverage and be wide open occasionally. Only one way that's going to happen.
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I wouldn't say he underthrew him much if at all. In Moss's earlier days he would have made that catch by leaping above the CB's. Now at this stage in his career esp in the preseason he doesn't want to risk injury and didn't try for the ball.
Uh...actually it was underthrown. It looked pretty, but Moss had to slow down.
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Uh...actually it was underthrown. It looked pretty, but Moss had to slow down.
and it was pi, and i don't mean 3.14159265
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YouTube - Tom Brady 63 yard TD pass to Randy Moss Week 10 vs.Indianapolis Colts

There might be something later, but that one came to mind first.
I don't have video of it right now, but Brady also hit him on a bomb the first drive of the game that we lost @ Miami later in the year. Not sure if he had any others later in the year or not, but that one immediately came to mind for me.

As for the topic, I don't see what would make anyone believe Moss will be a decoy. He's our most important WR (Love Wes, but Edelman can do a poor man's Welker impression, no one on our roster can do what Moss does, drawing so much attention on the outside and still being incredibly productive) and he is coming off a 1,264 yard and 13 TD season when we had absolutely no weapons aside from Welker to draw any attention off him.

He'll continue to beat double teams like he did last year (even while hurt) and his entire career, and he'll likely see less of them with a TE that looks like he can stretch the field and be a consistent factor in the passing game in Hernandez and all the other weapons we have now.

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If Moss becomes a very high priced decoy, which I doubt, and the rest of the WR/TE corps run wild who cares????
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If Moss becomes a very high priced decoy, which I doubt, and the rest of the WR/TE corps run wild who cares????
Exactly. Only way it happens is if it's a very good thing, since forcing the ball to Moss isn't exactly a catastrophe scenario.
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lately, as in last year, brady seems to be always looking for moss. He throws into double coverage a lot and it never seems to work. I don't think brady has the deep ball to consistently hit the open receiver which is hard because often moss is double covered and not really open. That and brady puts a lot of air under the ball giving the safety time to come over.

Hopefully they'll hit moss on more crossing patterns and such instead of always looking for him deep.
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With the exception of that one bomb, it does look like Brady is hitting Moss more with those crossing patterns this pre-season.

I guess I'm struggling with the word "decoy" here. To me that implies you don't actually throw to him. They'll throw to him; they just don't HAVE to throw to him, which will be nice if it turns out that way. Last year there were basically two receiving weapons - -Moss (playing with injury, double-teamed, still a pretty good year) and Welker (123 catches while missing essentially three games).

The bottom line is that Moss and Welker will still have to be accounted for. But there are signs that there might be other guys (TEs, Tate, Edelman) who will have to be accounted for too. Moss won't be a decoy, but the Pats will be happy to let teams over-cover him and let the other weapons be open -- then go back to Moss when the time is right, which will be a lot. Options = nice.
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