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The thing is DB, these boards are intended for debate, not just your opinion and blind homerism. uncle bob hit it on the nose, the Pats never went into the offseason expecting childress and caldwell to start week one, no matter how you spin it. What the Pats did this offseason was like going to a poker game with plant of chips, and kept folding. Sometimes you have to adjust your strategy to make things work out. what do you think brady thinks of all this, his top 2 recievers are gone, and the team still has plenty of cap space.
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What you don't seem to understand is that many of us don't care about Branch at all. We just want to have a decent starting wide receiver. bb can do what he wants to make an example of Branch. The open question is why haven't we picked up a decent starter. Jackson is fine for next year to replace Troy. We already went bargain basement for our #2 in Caldwell, maybe a decent pickup. But the free agent market wasn't a surprise to pioli. What we see right now is the result of a lot of FO work over the last few months. The result is Caldwell and Childress starting.
How would you have felt if we said in May that bb and pioli would start these two, counting on Troy in the slot? and maybe a scrub JAG like Kight available in case of injury. We would have said NO WAY or WTF or called the poster a moron.
Well here we are a couple of weeks from the start of the season with the pats looking around for a WR or two. Pioli may act by Game 2, or not and say "Gee whiz, the prices were just too high" We''ll use the cap money for roster bonuses giving us a zillion cap dollars in 2007. Pass the koolaid and toast our future pro-bowl wideouts: Caldwell and Childress.
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Originally Posted by DaBruinz
If the other guys don't get signed, then that is THEIR choice. How I react to them will depend on whether they bargained in good faith or if they were morons like Deion Branch.
sheesh!
Yes, the Pats can move money around and have plenty of cap space. But what you seem to not understand is that, at some point, you have to pay the piper as the Pats did in 2004 when they didn't have the space to sign injury replacements and basically went the last half of the year with only Light and Gorin as their OTs. Do you really want to be in a similar situation? Its obvious to me that the Patriots don't.
What is so hard to understand about the Patriots position? They attempted to bargain in good faith only to have it thrown back in their faces and be dis-respected. Why should they up their offer to Branch when Branch's stance is that he's worth 8-9 million and more than Reggie Wayne when Branch has been injured more than Wayne, has never had a 1000 yard season the way Wayne has, and has never had more than 5 TDs the way Wayne has?
If it was ONLY about this one contract, I would tend to agree with you.
However, overpaying for Branch would only encourage other players to demand to be overpayed and hold out unless they get what they want.
Therein lies the point of the original poster.
The Pats have decided to employ their value system and not risk blowing it out of whack by overpaying for a player. The problem is, it's a bussiness, run by greedy agents who get a % of the contract that they negotiate for their player clients. So naturally they are going to push for more $ for their clients. Such a system inevitably means potential conflict down the road for certain players who feel that they are being underpaid. The result? You get ugly battles such as the one we saw with Milloy, with Law, with Seymour, with Vinatieri and now with Branch and lord knows how many more Pats players in the not too distant future. The Pats have made their bed this way and they now need to sleep in it.
My gut feeling is this can all wrok out well but the Pats must a) do a much better job of protecting themselves from unreasonable agents who risk messing up the team by holding them hostage (by forcing a Caldwell/Childress starting WR tandem on the team) with unrealistic contract demands/holdouts b) keep winning SB's.
Of course they are good with the cap, but I'll be honest, i would rather have Branch then practice squad players. The teams are gonna get tougher, the games will get tougher and i dont want to have to rely on Caldwell or Childress to make that critical 1st down catch. And the Pats are like 35 million under for next year. Sure they are going to sign koppen, Samual, and graham, just like we couldnt sign woody because andruzzi was coming up, just like we couldnt sign Av, willie, and givens because branch and Seymour was up, now we cant sign branch becuse graham, koppen, and samual are up.
next year it will be we cant sign graham, koppen, and samual, because warren and wilson are coming up. At this rate, enjoy maroney and jackson because they will be gone in 4 years.
Ok lets just resign everybody every year next thing you know you have a team full of fat and happy's cashing their checks and not giving a damn if they win another title. We really miss Andruzzi and Woody don't we, not to mention Law, Milloy and Bledsoe. Bill has said that you can't fall in love with any player and I think he knows what he's talking about. Does anyone remember Yaz being allowed to hold on till he hit some homerun milestone even though he should have retired 5 years earlier before he hit into 600 double plays. There are some people on this board that wouldn't understand football and football players on the pee wee level coming on like they are experts on all things football. Three titles in five years and in the running for more so (Please be quiet - edited).
Ok lets just resign everybody every year next thing you know you have a team full of fat and happy's cashing their checks and not giving a damn if they win another title. We really miss Andruzzi and Woody don't we, not to mention Law, Milloy and Bledsoe. Bill has said that you can't fall in love with any player and I think he knows what he's talking about. Does anyone remember Yaz being allowed to hold on till he hit some homerun milestone even though he should have retired 5 years earlier before he hit into 600 double plays. There are some people on this board that wouldn't understand football and football players on the pee wee level coming on like they are experts on all things football. Three titles in five years and in the running for more so (Please be quiet - edited).
I don't think you needed to personalize things to the (Please be quiet - edited) degree that you did to the poster.
Let me ask you a question. Answer truthfully. What good does winning 3 of the past 5 SB's do to our starting WR situation for this year?
What you don't seem to understand is that many of us don't care about Branch at all. We just want to have a decent starting wide receiver. bb can do what he wants to make an example of Branch. The open question is why haven't we picked up a decent starter. Jackson is fine for next year to replace Troy. We already went bargain basement for our #2 in Caldwell, maybe a decent pickup. But the free agent market wasn't a surprise to pioli. What we see right now is the result of a lot of FO work over the last few months. The result is Caldwell and Childress starting.
How would you have felt if we said in May that bb and pioli would start these two, counting on Troy in the slot? and maybe a scrub JAG like Kight available in case of injury. We would have said NO WAY or WTF or called the poster a moron.
Well here we are a couple of weeks from the start of the season with the pats looking around for a WR or two. Pioli may act by Game 2, or not and say "Gee whiz, the prices were just too high" We''ll use the cap money for roster bonuses giving us a zillion cap dollars in 2007. Pass the koolaid and toast our future pro-bowl wideouts: Caldwell and Childress.
That really is the bottom line to me and you nailed it. Here were are and it's August and it's Caldwell and Childress starting.
But....but...but....we did it in 2001 with no-name guys, we can do it again! Maybe some of the dumbest, infantile logic ever put into cyberspace.
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