JR4

Come on pats1 ....where is it?

You inferred that I thought they were pretenders .... I call you out.
where is it?

I have had my concerns about aspects of this team that many thinking
people have had and frustrated at times with ILB situation.

But show me where I suggested or implied this team were pretenders?
You CAN NOT!

Guess what .... someone can have concerns but still think their team will
do well...... I know this is a very hard concept for you grasp .... but if
you think about it awhile ..... just maybe you can.

In stead of dwelling on my statements about my concerns try to remember
some of my positive statements like:
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"The thought comes to mind ... that ciritizing a player for a bad play here
or there .... is inappropriate as no one except the PATs themselves know
what was suppose to happen."

Or

about Colvin
"
He ended up with 60 Tackles and 7 sacks. Considering there were about
8 weeks when PATs ILBs were a mess, those are great stats and indicates
he is back. If Bruschi and Vrabel had been the ILBs from the beginning
of the year, Rosey may have been in the same catagory as Abraham, Porter, Peppers and even Feeney in terms of sacks.
In terms of tackles He did get more total tackles last year than any
of those I named above. Rosey is a force and very active.

For a guy who is now doing as well as John Abraham how much more can
be expected from him?"

OR

"The Warfield signing is a shinning example of the Patriots willingness
to give players a second chance.

I am very proud of my team the New England Patriots for their demonstrated
willing to go the extra mile and give players a second chance. I'm sure other
fans feel the same way.
There was the so called malcontent Corey Dillion and the over the hill Rodney
Harrision and other vets who were cast aside by there previous teams. Now
there is Warfield, an alchoholic. This is a good thing and it warms my heart that
my PATs have this character."

OR

"Maybe I am overreacting. But I am sitting here and the thought hits me that
the PATs just grabbed two of the BEST Offensive weapons in the draft!

To me this is like .... unbelieveable ... this just doesn't happen all the
time does it? Am I dreaming?
Then to think that one of those weapons droped to the 2nd round!
Are PATs lucky or do we just have one of the greatest Front Office's ever!"

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I could go on but you are just up the creek without a paddle it you want
to accuse me of calling this team pretenders.....never happend!

pats1

And when did I accuse you of calling them pretenders? It was completely implied when you started to drift down the "Pats need a good start...they could struggle against the big, bad Jets or Bills early" path.

Regardless, where and when you said it is irrelevant.

However, I find it very strange how your sentiments seem to change on the dime. If the Pats cut, say, Bruschi tomorrow, you'd probably be right back to proclaiming their downfall and questioning management. There's a reason for every move, and you need to realize each transaction is just another step towards the final destination - a plan - for the Patriots.

A simple yay/nay sentiment would be fair if it was left at that. But it always seems you try to correlate the move with the overall long term success of the team - and that too is either yay or nay. So if you don't like a move one day, the team is doomed, but the very next day the team makes a move you like, the team is now a serious contender.

That's all. Before I start sounding like a rambling theologian, there's a football game tonight I need to worry about.

JR4

I am really trying to be civil here but you make up things and insinuate false
things by making satements that are just plain totally misleading,
provocative and I believe intentionally done to incite a reaction.

For example in your statement above you said about me I'm

" .... right back to proclaiming their downfall "

I again I call you out on this one ..... where in this huge message board
of recorded posts .... did I EVER proclaim the PATs down fall?
Where. .... this is just a plain false fabracation on your part.

Then you say if I
"don't like a move one day, the team is doomed,"

When have I ever said the team was doomed

I guess ACCORDING to pats1 if anyone expresses anything even a little
negative about the PATs they are predicting their doom.
You are being absurd about this.

you say
"your sentiments seem to change on the dime."
That is absurd.
if I say the ILBs are weak because ... you say JR4 said PATs are doomed.
if I say the ILBs look better because ... you say now JR4 thinks PATs are contenders.

Do you see the faulty logic you are using?

You do this because, Again, as another poster has said and I really can't put
it any better.

" .....you tend to take anything that isn't overwhelmingly positive as something that is overwhelmingly negative."

I've had enough of you. I will not play your games any longer. Fabricate
til you are blue in the face I will not respond to your absurdities any longer.

I know where I stand. When I see something of concern I will express it.
When I see something that is good I will express it.
I agree you will get both sides of the coin from me as with other posters.
Call us nay sayers if you wish but don't ever doubt our loyalty or our love
for our team. If PATs don't do as well as we thought they would, we will
still be here backing them.
I don't expect agreement in my posts, some may ... some won't.
This is what most posters do here.

MrBigglesWorth

Seau's leadership is only as good as his performance. Otherwise if he sucks.... just make him a coach. Leaders lead through actions, not rhetoric. Play gets respect.