MoLewisrocks

Law wasn't signed until August of last year because he was still limping from an injury most didn't think he could play through. It's not so much that Herm is blind, or even stupid, it's that he's often desperate and he's also a former DB and left to their own devices the great ones alway want to freelance. Belichick was successful at getting Ty to play team defense without totally negating his legitimate ball hawking skills. Herm didn't have a clue how to coach that.

And this year at least two coaches have interest, one of whom is as far from blind as they get. I know you don't want him to be interested, but he is. He has always admired this players talent and work ethic and passion enough to overlook the fact that he's not perfect and can be maddeningly frustrating when it comes to publicly discussing his financial dealings...

spacecrime

I was unfair of me not to mention work ethic and also willingness to play hurt. And willingness to tutor young players. But I still think only one coach besdies the Pats were interested in him last year and this, and that was Herm.

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Spacecrime: You make an excellent point about freelancing in general, and it is an overlooked phenomenon. In fact, one of the touchdowns that occurred in the Panthers superbowl was that Ty Law freelanced on the field, deliberately changing his responsibility to gamble, and it resulted in a touchdown. I read about it but can't remember which play it was. I think he actually gave bad advice to the secondary and changed the play call or something, so yeah, he freelances at times.

But it is irrelevant to the fact that the Pats are very likely to have already tried to sign Law. I also believe that the odds are more than 50% that he ends up a Patriot.

The reason teams didn't keep/re-sign him last year was the injury and the huge asking price.

AndyJohnson

I dont think a good gauge of Ty Laws value is how much interest there was in teams signing him when he was coming off a career threatening injury (and had yet to prove he could run full speed) and expected to be paid as if the injury didnt exist.
By the way, there were more teams talking to him last year, but none made an offer that ignored the injury except the Jets.

There have also been quite a few other teams interested in him this year including Arizona, Seattle and Tennessee.

To say Herman Edwards is the only NFL coach that thinks Law can play is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

By the way, without Ty Law, including his style of play, we would not have won the SB in 2003. He may have been the best player on the team that year.

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Which is why his freelancing will be overlooked as I mentioned above.

spacecrime

True. And I didn't mean to put it that way, if I did.

Here's what I should have said: Last year no HC thought enough to Ty to sign him to a contract until the middle of training camp. Only Herm was willing to pay him to play.

So far this year, no team thinks enough of his ability to pay him to play, and once again, only the self-same Herm Edwards is the one that might possibly sign him.

That's what I meant to say. Money talks. And for two years only Herm Edwards was interested in Ty. And he cut Ty after one year, don't forget.

All the talk about Ty signing with the Pats so far can be traced back to statements by Ty or one of the Postons. We didn't step up last year to pay him $6 mil (with only $1 mil guaranteed), so now we are suddnely hot to pay an older Ty $6 mil with all of it guaranteed?

The only real reason anyone has for guaranteeing him $6 mil this year is that we have the money. So let's spend it. Somewhere, anywhere. Spend it.

30 HC's think he isn't worth it, 31 if you count BB who didn't sign him last year or this. Only Herm wanted him last year and maybe this year.

spacecrime

1. You don't know what would have happened. You really don't. No one does. What if's are for games played on paper. This is the thinking that said we would go 0-16 without Milloy in 2003.

2. Every offensive play the Panther made could have been a TD is someone hadn't tackled a ball carrier, hurried the passer, deflected a pass. Every TD scored by the Pats, every pass completed, every yard gained, was made possible by several people EACH play. Take away the production of any player and say his replacement wouldn't have done the job, and the Pats lose. We did not have Ty Law and 44 guys watching him play.

kptmorgan04

I completly agree that signing Branch, Graham and Koppen is more important IMO than brining in Ty for what would be the short term. I would love to bring Law in as well as extend these three, but dont see that happening. I would also prefer to rework some future money to this year instead of signing law which would allow money in the future to be used on FA's. I dont see the Pats not using the money in some way which has been tossed around by some.

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AndyJohnson

Of course you are totally misrepresenting what my statement meant.

Law was a key player and made big plays in the 2003 SB run. I think its very easy to say we would not have won if we didnt have him in 2003. That doesn't mean he won singlehandedly, it means that his contributions were necessary for the result, such as 3 picks of Manning.
You could make the same statement about other players. We wouldnt have won that SB without Brady, or Harrison either, as they made key plays that wouldn't have been made by their replacements.

AndyJohnson

I think you are way off the mark here.

The evidence that Law signed late and signed with the Jets is nowhere near proof of your conclusion that no one else wanted him.
Why wouldnt that mean that any free agent wasnt wanted by 31 other teams?
Law was ABSOLUTELY negotiating with other teams. Just like any other Free Agent he took the best offer.
To imply that he didnt get signed until late because he was unwanted is embarassing to your argument, because you know that he couldnt sign until he was rehabbed and could pass a physical, so it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to be signed early.

Secondly, you keep saying only Herman Edwards wants Law this year when there is proof that numerous other teams have talked with him. Why did Arizona, Seattle, Tennesse and of course the Patriots bring him in? Because they wanted to tell him they are one of 31 teams who dont want him?

Aparently you have some type of a grudge where Law is concerned. I dont know why all he did was contribute to 3 SB titles. But it has resulted in some pretty inane conclusions.
Not trying to give you a hard time here, but the bill of goods you are trying to sell have no validity at all.