HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

This was a pretty pointless exercise by Reiss. Ranking players on their own team? Boring. A better article would've been ranking the Pats units with the rest of the league.

PatsWickedPissah

I agree

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BradyFTW!

Agreed: I took that to mean that he thinks Butler will eventually grow into more of a long-term role with the team, but I'm not sure that I'd agree with that either. Bodden's only 28, not like he's old or anything, and trying to project how good guys will be 5+ years down the line is foolish anyways. Even if you choose to ignore injury, you just don't know how young guys will develop, you don't know if they'll stay hungry, and you don't even know if they'll still be playing for the Pats down the line.

Case in point: in 2003, I bet you most people would have ranked Eugene Wilson ahead of Rodney Harrison in terms of long-term importance, on the basis of Wilson being younger. Yet Harrison ended up giving us more productive years anyways. Sure, that was a kinda extreme example, but overall I think people tend to overvalue youth by assuming that it will reach (and maintain) its full potential.

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lillestroom

Didnt Reiss give his accounts on why he ranked the players as he did?

mgteich

Are you suggesting that the roster should include anyone who is not one of the 53 most important players to the patriots? I suppose one could put of the 53 most important on the Practice Squad and HOPE that someone doens't pick him up.

lillestroom

I cant see anyone outside the top 60 making the team.

So he really is giving us a look-inside his head and what he thinks may happen. Remember injuries WILL arise. So that will shake things up a little

AndyJohnson

I dont think its implausable that a guy ranked lower than 53 woud beat out a guy ranked higher unless the point was to get to 53 considering them as a group. If he 53rd is a DE and the 54th is a LB and the first 52 leave you short a LB and you have one too many DEs then I would expect player 54 stays and 53 is cut.
Also, Reiss included cost as a factor, so a better player costing more may be rated lower than a lesser player at a lower price and with no cap, the better player would stick.

AndyJohnson

I think a biger factor is their salaries, which is part of his stated criteria.

mgteich

I believe that cost and position are already factored. But, I do agree that if our longsnapper were listed at 54, we still would have a long snapper on the 53. However, I would consider such a ranking a mistake on the part of Reiss.
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I would think that, absent injury or holdout, Reiss would be surprised if any of his top 50 don't make the roster. The obvious current situations are Mankins and Welker. You and I have questions about Pryor and prehaps Slater, but that gives 48 who are very likely to make the roster, and the 5 roster spots at the bottom of the roster. Of course, more spots could open up because of injury/

BOTTOM LINE
This is a pretty solid 48. Of course, they aren't "locks". We have n't seen some of the players in live action yet.

And 5 spots still to be decided seems a bit small; but, given injuries, more of the 51-70 will make it. I certainly think that wheatley, Bussey and Connolly have a solid shot at the roster.

zoffle

Can some one start a new thread for me, I only have 17 posts so I can't start a new thread.

So I think it would be interesting to have the forum build a roster by positions first then adding the players to the designated positions.

so it would start with what formations they run and what position/type of player they need , then you would have the number of positions needed, from there you can add how many rotational/backups you need for each position (i.e 1 rotational player for ILB for 3-4 set). Once we have the number of positions/roles we can add players to the roles (and any extra room on the roster).

So I need help doing this because I'm relatively new to football and I thought it could be an interesting way to make a roster in the slow period.

so it could look something like:
Defense:

3-4:
2 DE (2-Gap)
1 NT (2-gap)
2 edge setting/pass rushing OLB's (or OLB/DE hybrids)
1 WILB (faster, sideline to sideline player)
1 SILB (thumper)
2 CB
2 S

Etc