BradyFTW!

Not sure why there's such negative response to this thread. The Raiders will be miles better than they were last year, strictly by virtue of replacing Russell with Campbell (who is a pretty decent QB). This will directly impact a first round pick for the Pats. It matters.

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PatsChamp88

1) How dare you attempt to use logic

2) Who do you think you are staying on topic

3) That is all

Seriously though I think the Raiders end up with a pick around 12 +/-2

cupofjoe1962

Sunday, September 12 10:00 am @ Tennessee Titans CBS
Sunday, September 19 1:05 pm St. Louis Rams FOX
Sunday, September 26 1:15 pm @ Arizona Cardinals CBS
Sunday, October 3 1:05 pm Houston Texans CBS
Sunday, October 10 1:15 pm San Diego Chargers CBS
Sunday, October 17 1:05 pm @ San Francisco 49ers CBS
Sunday, October 24 1:15 pm @ Denver Broncos CBS
Sunday, October 31 1:15 pm Seattle Seahawks FOX
Sunday, November 7 1:15 pm Kansas City Chiefs CBS
BYE WEEK
Sunday, November 21 10:00 am @ Pittsburgh Steelers CBS
Sunday, November 28 1:05 pm Miami Dolphins CBS
Sunday, December 5 1:05 pm @ San Diego Chargers CBS
Sunday, December 12 10:00 am @ Jacksonville Jaguars CBS
Sunday, December 19 1:15 pm Denver Broncos CBS
Sunday, December 26 1:05 pm Indianapolis Colts CBS
Sunday, January 2 10:00 am @ Kansas City Chiefs CBS

I highlighted the games I think the Raiders have a good chance to
win.....

The best I can see the Raiders is 7-9 which should still be a top 12
pick or better.

Off The Grid

That answer is CORRECT, sir!!

Off The Grid

Concur.

Learning a new System takes a long time before you're effective...If the Raiders were smart, they'd let Gradkowski take the reigns, this year, while Campbell learns.

Thank JEEBUS the Raiders are stupid!!

Off The Grid

I'm with YOU, Bro! What a GREAT squabble this is!!

Off The Grid

I'm sure you're more on the side of joking than serious...but that isn't as far fetched as most might think. Consider THIS Scenario, gentlemn, if you will...

• The Raiders finish Dead Last in the League. This is VERY possible, as anyone who's noted the improvement of ALL the teams that finished behind them, last year ~ and remember that Oakland is CHAOS ~ should know.
  
• Jake Locker or someone has a great year and ~ with the STRONG likelihood of a Rookie Salary Cap locking in, and ENDING the recent period where Top 6 Pix were POISON ~ somebody offers us an Eli Manning package for the #1, and we pick up, say, the #4, a 3rd Rounder, a 2012 1st, and a 2012 5th...
  
• We move back, again, swapping the #4 for, say, the #16 and another 2012 1st.
  
• The #16, in turn, we swap for the #27 and an additional 2012 1st Rounder.
  
• Not finished yet, we trade the #27 for a 2011 2nd Rounder...and yet another 2012 1st.
  
• Finally, we trade that 2nd Rounder for one last 2012 1st.

*I'm not making ANY predictions, but if anyone thinks that isn't feasible, they need to do some studying on Draft Day Trades, over the recent years!

*That is no less than FIVE 2012 1st Rounders ~ plus a 2011 3rd and a 2012 5th ~ for an aging Defensive Lineman!!

And if Oakland finishes 4th ~ their average position, the last 3 years! ~ then we still have FOUR 2012 1st Rounders for Seymour...and GOD only knows what Belichick might do with THOSE!!

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For the record, I would NOT have done that trade, because I consider D Linemen GOLD, and we could've easily traded other players to other teams to load up on future pix...But taken as a Fait Accompli, I consider that trade to be an EPIC Heist.

PatsFanSince74

And no brakes...they don't work either.

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PatsFanSince74

I'm just not sure you can conclude that. Sure, they might be "miles better," but it's not likely and certainly not necessarily so. Campbell has been at best(!), a so-so QB, throwing 15 picks against 20 TD's last year and winning 12 games in the last two years as a starter. Could he blossom in a new setting? Of course, but it's by no means a sure bet (and, this IS Al Davis we're talking about here). I also agree with those who would give the first shot to Gradkowski.

I do think it's fair to argue that the Raiders are getting better through their own internal growth. But, their division is tough and, as I look at their schedule, I don't see too many "gimmes." Sure, they have the Rams at Home early, but they also have the Texans, Jags and Colts and have to play an improving NFC West with a tough 49ers game and the rebuilding Seahawks. So, might they win seven instead of five games? Yeah, but that's still a top 15 pick. In the unlikely event that the Pats are hot to trot for a top pick, they certainly have plenty to trade to move up to it.

I think the problem in this discussion arises for those people who ever thought this was going to be a top five pick, which I and most folks I take seriously out here really never thought it could be; besides, BB would just trade it anyway if it were that high.

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Honestly though, that's like me claiming I'm going to be a magnet for the ladies now that I've finally replaced my AMC Gremlin with a Dodge Dart.