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Old 04-10-2006, 04:28 PM   #31
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Well grabbing a Dolphins reject shouldn't make you very happy and grabbing a guy who gets hurt for celebrating shouldn't make you do cartwheels either. I like this guy because he knows that the Pats run is over and the Fins will own the East for years to come.
If you're talking about Felger, he may be brash and annoying but he isn't stupid. He actually thinks Culpepper will help you more than hurt you, which isn't saying much, although that remains to be seen. But he doesn't think your beloved 'fins are winning anything anytime soon. Nor does he think the Pats run is anywhere near over - not as long as Belichick and Brady remain.

FYI knowing your 'fins and knowing anything about football are obviously two seperate and distinct skill sets, as your mere existence here easily proves.
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Old 04-10-2006, 04:58 PM   #32
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* Well, Dude there was nothing wrong with what Felger and nothing wrong with being skeptical. Every FA that's been brought in has not been a success and I guess at least Felger recalls that, dude.
...that smells like a comeback...

I can't respond to the first comment because I don't understand it. With the second comment you seem to be trying to explain/defend(?) Felger. If so, don't worry, I've heard him loud and clear: EVERY SINGLE MOVE THE PATS HAVE MADE SUCKS...THEY'VE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING RIGHT. Please correct me if I've mischaracterized him.

and forgive those of us who prefer to take a wait and see approach to the offseason rather than pretend -- like Felger -- that we know all and that BB is clueless...please accept my sincere apology for being such an ass kissing kool aid drinker

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Old 04-10-2006, 05:37 PM   #33
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Culpepper is the 5th rated passer of all time. I don't think you were aware of that were you? I know my Fins inside and out and am a very knowledgable fan.
Hey Mr. indside /out knowledgeable fan - I suppose Marino is # 1 or something - put them both together and you end up with NO championships. Enjoy yourself now while you still can, the season will start in about 5 months and then your misery returns.
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Culpepper is the 5th rated passer of all time. I don't think you were aware of that were you? I know my Fins inside and out and am a very knowledgable fan.


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Hey Mr. indside /out knowledgeable fan - I suppose Marino is # 1 or something - put them both together and you end up with NO championships. Enjoy yourself now while you still can, the season will start in about 5 months and then your misery returns.
I'll add to fgssand:
p.s. Peyton Manning is also one of the top rated passers of all time. Hmmmm.

Do you agree that if you are 'very knowledgable' that you would have to project more than just raw passing stats ?? ?? I think, correct me if I am wrong, that your basic premise is that the Dolphins are going to now be a dramatically winning team - and you seem to believe that Culpepper will be a significant factor in that. OK. So you would have to project his stats onto the Dolphin team. You would have to take into account the type of receivers that he had when he achieved the stats and determine whether the receivers that he will have with the Dolphins are the type of receivers that will give him the same opportunity to have such good ratings. You would have to ask (without too much predjudice) if the Dolphins offensive unit is actually better overall than the Vikings offensive unit - because Culpepper's individual 'stats' didn't translate into a winning offense with the Vikings.

So it depends on which way you are 'very knowledgable'.

p.s. Peyton Manning is also one of the top rated passers of all time. Hmmmm.
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* I said there's no one I'd rather have doing the FA choosing, but when FA's are signed like Caldwell or Tebucky types, they could go either way. Duds or guys that really help out.
All the signings could go either way. Anyway can be a bust or turn to crap befoer your eyes. Or blossom.

Good players lose it. lazy underachieves see the light. Players learn technique. they get motivated after being cut a couple times.

Any player you sign late in FA, after everyone else has passed, is a gamble. But they are cheap, and that is how you build quality depth, by getting quality players cheap, as opposed to signing 10 or 15 UDFAs to fill out the lower third of your roster at $220,000 each, or wahtever the rookie minimum is.

If you hit half great players and half duds for low $$$, you are way ahead of hte game. Youk can cut most of the duds, and the ones you are stuck with are more than compensated for by all the good players you got.

It's when you get conservative and fearful, when you want to make sure that you don't get any duds, that you totally miss out on quality inexpensive palyers.

Was anyone here excited when BB signed David Patten from the Arena league, or Roman Phifer from the old folk's home? Signing Patten looked a lot worse at the time that signing Tebucky Jones does now.

We took a chance on Patten, but we did sign a pair of quality receivers from Phila: CHarles Johnson and Torrance Small. Patten was the gamble, the guy who was likely to be a dud. Instead he was #2, and Johnson and small vanished into the woodwork. That year BB gave 1.5 mil ot CB Terrence Shaw and minimum to OTIS.

You just don't know. You take the losses and duds in stride, acknowledging that they are NOT mistakes, but part of the process.

Don't worry about the Donald Hayes's and Steve Martin's. They are part of the process that nets the Mike Vrabels and Rodney Harrisons.
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Felger. If so, don't worry, I've heard him loud and clear: EVERY SINGLE MOVE THE PATS HAVE MADE SUCKS...THEY'VE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING RIGHT. Please correct me if I've mischaracterized him.
No correction necessary. The funny thing is that he acts like he knows so much more about personnel than BB/SP. Like he is the guys who studied tape on the guy, and worked with him, and interviewed him, etc.

Nope, Fleger can tell by recalling TV broadcasts who is worthy and who is not.

Yeah, we do the same, we all have our favorites. But we are fans. We sometimes fall in love with a guy or hate him because of a single game or even a single play. He is supposed to be a reporter. He is supposed to give us the big picture. Not rant like a newbie fan.

I used to like him a lot. Then came Curran, and then Reiss. And away went Felger, down the drain.....
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Was anyone here excited when BB signed David Patten from the Arena league, or Roman Phifer from the old folk's home? Signing Patten looked a lot worse at the time that signing Tebucky Jones does now.

* True enough, but there was also some here who had Duane Starks making people forget Ty Law and Biesel was going to step right in and replace Te3d Johnson. Overall BB/Pioli have done a great job at this. But even they don't know how it's going to rurn out. BB often says it takes 4-6 games before he knows what kind of team he has. I thought they really did thier best overall FA job in 2001 when they brought in a boatload of UFA's and they mostly did good jobs and they won a SB with them. And BB was as surprised as anyone about that telling his longtime friend Ernie Adams after that game, "can you beileve we won the SB with that team?"

And how did this thread degenerate into a Dolphins smack topic?
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