OT: Double standard for 'roid use in NFL and MLB? - New England Patriots Forums

TrueBeliever · 05-10-2010, 12:31 PM

First, read this:

Where's the outrage for 'roid ragers in football? - CBSSports.com

Personally, I think it's two different things. One guy on a baseball team can have a far bigger impact using 'roids than one guy on a football team. Also the NFL outlawed 'roids and PEDs long ago while MLB had to be dragged kicking and screaming before Congress before they finally started testing.

Discuss.

Brady2Welker · 05-10-2010, 12:47 PM

I completely agree that people who roid should be held accountable, but really at this point, if we take back Cushings award... then we might as well bust into the HOF with our pitchforks, and loot the place cause God knows there's a large amount of roiders there, and on the way back we should drop by Pittsburg and take a few of their Lombardis. Not to mention the several great RB's who probably roided.

There's no perfect solution to this problem.

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dhamz · 05-10-2010, 02:26 PM

It isn't complicated and it has nothing to do with what sport tested first or whose penalties are stronger. It is about the difference between the way fans view and follow the sport. Football is about violence, knocking the other guys head off, etc. Baseball was/is history, nostalgia, and records. Fans/media of the sport got angry because steroids ruined that connection to the past. The juiced up guys rewrote the record books. If Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds took every steroid on earth and hit 57 home runs no one would have cared nearly as much about steroids.

xmarkd400x · 05-10-2010, 02:35 PM

I don't recall the NFL or NFL Players lying about steroids.

Baseball ignored the problem for over a decade while slugging numbers kept going through the roof. They got better ratings, and never cared why.

It's like in Jurassic Park when they got rid of the rat problem, but never cared why. It's because the dinosaurs were breeding and eating the rats.

chicowalker · 05-10-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dhamz

It isn't complicated and it has nothing to do with what sport tested first or whose penalties are stronger. It is about the difference between the way fans view and follow the sport. Football is about violence, knocking the other guys head off, etc. Baseball was/is history, nostalgia, and records. Fans/media of the sport got angry because steroids ruined that connection to the past. The juiced up guys rewrote the record books. If Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds took every steroid on earth and hit 57 home runs no one would have cared nearly as much about steroids.

Not just records, though I agree that was most important -- other stats became meaningless (20HR hitters became a dime a dozen, etc.)

One other thing, at least when I was a teen (in the 80s), the assumption for many of us was that NFL players were on steroids.

***pats1*** · 05-10-2010, 07:04 PM

For what it's worth, it's unlikely that Cushing took steroids as we know them. Few players actually still take 'roids; there are all sorts of different drugs (like HGH) that they take that are better.

BostonPatriot · 05-10-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pats1

For what it's worth, it's unlikely that Cushing took steroids as we know them. Few players actually still take 'roids; there are all sorts of different drugs (like HGH) that they take that are better.

This is incorrect.

Most players who use, take "steriods" (synthetic forms of testosterone) that can be masked with a variety of different agents. There are many different types of "steriods", but they are all just synthetic forms of testosterone. If Cushing took something, it was def a steriod.

HGH is not even close to as effective as testosterone for building lean tissuse and recovering muscles. There is a reason testosterone is what your body produces to build lean mass, support sexual function and to aid in recovery of muscle tissue after it's been torn down.

HGH is an effective drug to build lean mass and for recovery. The HGH is going to help tendons and ligiments heal quicker. In that regard, it's more effective than steriods...but for increased performance, steriods are king.

Steriods super charge your metabolism and your ability to recover + build lean muscle tissue. If you run a "cycle", follow a strict diet, train with weights and have good gentics (like most pros do) the results can be epic.

***pats1*** · 05-10-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BostonPatriot

This is incorrect.

Most players who use, take "steriods" (synthetic forms of testosterone) that can be masked with a variety of different agents. There are many different types of "steriods", but they are all just synthetic forms of testosterone. If Cushing took something, it was def a steriod.

HGH is not even close to as effective as testosterone for building lean tissuse and recovering muscles. There is a reason testosterone is what your body produces to build lean mass, support sexual function and to aid in recovery of muscle tissue after it's been torn down.

HGH is an effective drug to build lean mass and for recovery. The HGH is going to help tendons and ligiments heal quicker. In that regard, it's more effective than steriods...but for increased performance, steriods are king.

Steriods super charge your metabolism and your ability to recover + build lean muscle tissue. If you run a "cycle", follow a strict diet, train with weights and have good gentics (like most pros do) the results can be epic.

What I'm trying to get at is that things are a lot different than they were in the MLB in the steroid era (80s to early 2000s).

***MoLewisrocks*** · 05-10-2010, 09:28 PM

What is comical about this piece is he should be directing it towards his peers who are revoting for DPOY as we speak. Cushing will lose some votes, but not nearly enough. Same situation as with baseball writers... who if left to their own devices would just vote the stats with no nod to context or character. Ballwashing clean the cheaters by rationalizing is not something leagues and the majority of fans engage in, by and large it's media...and the madden generation fans who just want to be increasingly entertained by whatever means and methods possible.