KontradictioN

Does anybody know for a fact that Mankins wants to be paid at the top of his position or are we just speculating again?

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emoney_33

It's foolish to have such a delusional and twisted view on things. A "little" bit extra is a very vague term. Would you considering $10K/yr a little bit extra? Well that would depend, if you are making $50K/yr that's a 20% increase, if you are making $2M/yr that's only a 0.5% increase.

I'd guess that very few players if any leave any good situation for a "little" bit extra. Also to simplify it to a "kids game" is laughable at best and I'll just leave that one alone. It's responsible of them to seek the best deal for themselves, their families and their future. Their career doesn't extend 50 years like yours (and mine) presumably does.

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emoney_33

The details really don't matter at this point. We know the Patriots have a model that they will follow. We know that Mankins will be trying to look out for his best interest. In the end all we can do is hope that the two line up, otherwise we'll have to move on without him. C'est la vie. C'est la NFL.

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CheeseMonkeys

A little bit extra for a football player would be a lot of money to people like you and me. OK I'll give you that. It is a lot of money but compared to the millions they are already making it isn't that much more. I don't see my view of this as delusional and twisted at all... that is ridiculous to say. And I put quotes around kids game because that is a term often tossed around. I don't think it's a kids game. it's too complicated and rough for kids. But I'm just trying to make a point but people like you have to bash me. It's absurd if you don't think these guys are overpaid.

KontradictioN

Wait, did you really just say that the details don't matter on a contract dispute? Seriously?

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emoney_33

$1M more guaranteed when making $10M guaranteed is 10% increase which is significant to anyone making any amount of money. And you also are overrating the millions they make today. Their careers are short and the millions they make usually has to last a lifetime. Not to mention they have to pay taxes and a large sum goes to charity. In the end I'm sure if you averaged out their actual cash intake and averaged it over the next 40-50 years, I'd guess you get something like $100K-300K a year. Which is NOT "ridiculously overpaid".

The people that are overpaid are the billionaires who hold the economy hostage, not professional athletes.

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MoLewisrocks

The deadline for Mankins to sign his tender is approaching. June 15th. If he hasn't signed it by then the team can replace it with a tender at 110% of his 2009 salary (or roughly cut his tender in half). As fate would have it the Patriots have scheduled a mandatory OTA for June 15-16. Hopefully he doesn't decide to draw a line in the sand. I'm not sure what his trade/market value is on the eve of 2011. We never heard a whisper about anyone kicking his RFA tires.

I like Mankins, but while he's been durable he hasn't been as consistent as he should be - something you can say about this OL in general for the last couple of seasons - and the fact that he claims they never approached him about an extension (although Bill has kept in touch since the offseason) would lead me to believe they have some underlying concerns about the kind of long term deal they would be willing to sign him to... After all, they extended Kaczur (albeit at basically starter if we can't upgrade and backup swing player if we can rates he apparently realized was his market) and Wilfork and re-signed Banta Cain and Bodden. I think if Mankins wanted to take darn good OG salary and they had no concerns about motivation and focus going forward under that circumstance, he'd have been extended by now. I think if he wants to be a top 3 paid OG he's going to be playing elsewhere next season.

There is a reason Pioli took Asamoah this year and Pittsburgh took Pouncey. Good guards used to be a dime a dozen. No longer the case. Yet it's a lot easier to project a college OT or OC/C as a pro guard and pay him peanuts comparatively speaking for 5-6 years. Particularly if you have a solid technique driven OL coach. And as a rule OLinemen don't last much more than 8-9 years before it's all about technique and scheme and surrounding talent keeping them going. Mankins is not only replaceable, he's potentially upgradeable if you have 4 picks in the first 62. If someone else wants to sign that player to a 5 year $40M+ contract, have at it...

The Kraft's and Bill aren't looking at extensions any differently in this one uncapped year than they ever have, because they know that a cap will be back and they have an internal salary structure to maintain as well. That's one of the core principles of their system. And unlike the fan base, they have the discipline to maintain it rather than cave in fear of making a mistake. Bill knows what he's got on the roster, what he's got in the pipeline, who's likely to be available in 2011 via draft, trade, FA or cut. He also knows just how good Mankins truly is...while all we as fans have are perceptions.

mgteich

Let's see how difficult this is. Is the leader of the OL worth $8M a year in an uncapped year where the effect on later years will be manageable?

Do we want to face going into 2011 depending on a declining center in his last year and two holes at guard?

emoney_33

Maybe I needed to add "to us fans" in there or something. Obviously the details matter for the parties involved. We are not involved, we will never know all the details, and all the speculation in the world does nothing.

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KontradictioN

I don't think you should go around speaking for everyone else. The details might not matter to you, but they matter to me. As a fan, I would love to see the best O-Lineman on the team kept to prevent there from being two holes at two different positions a year from now (a position that is protecting our franchise) if the price is fair. I just think that the team is waiting to see what happens with Brady's contract before they get to Mankins. Remember that Brady has never reached the last year of his deal. I don't expect him to start now. And if "all the speculation in the world means nothing", then why are you speculating right now?

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