satz

I think i have to disagree on alot of stuff.

Usually the pats have done good job in developing players to contribute more in the second year.

butler,chung are going to be real good this year. we basically play a 3 safety defence 50% of the time and i see chung contributing.Buter and whilltie are going to just better. IN nfl last year we saw 2 guys who did not track the ball and got caught playing the receiver. this is a skill that needs to developed. i will bet both will play the ball better and not the WR leading to getting beat[whillite] or horrible PI calls [butler]

Brace- He will contribute along with a draft pick. every DL we have got take the 2nd year step. Even 20-30% of snap from him is going to be better. As a 3-4 end he is a perfect match for huge tackles like long.

ILB-i think the last yr 3rd year pick is going to open some eyes. he was good before he got injured and zolak said Bb was very high on that kid. Also , this means guyton is going to be more effective in sub packages.Mayo healthy is another key. the 2nd ILB for us is also shared spot where we bring in our 3rd safety in 3rd down.

We have gone from the oldest defence in the leagea a few yrs back to the 21yr oldest and with a influx of rookies its going to be a young defence. Its take time for young players improve.she ignores that fact.

kazur - nothing against him he is a decent player and we pay him like one so i have no issues. Its not like he is being paid 5-6 million a year. So being a realist he is fine you pay for what talent you think the guy is.The issue we had was the RG position where a 3-4 ends were creating inside presure.If we solidify the RG i think kazur will actually be back to his decent self.

Dan koppen played all year with a bummed ankle, his backup was bad enough so i would draft a good C/G prospect to back him and neal up.Russ was such a nice addition not sure th 7th from denver was so critical to the team development.

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BostonPatriot

I can't figure out who is the biggest homer on this site, you or emoney.

2009 was an awesome season and we are in great shape for 2010!

RodThePat

I just love how negativism is instantly praised as objective thinking by some.

The team, right now, isn't in great shape foro 2010. But to say this is an 8-8 squad is just ridiculous.

tanked_as_usual

with all due respect, bro.......brace? if you call high fat content talent, then OK

I think you are a bit optimistic......the OLB position is worse than last year since they only have one (TBC) who has proven the ability to even step on the field who we expect to actually be there week 1(thomas is pretty much done.....as for mayo and guyton......they are the ones who need to have break out years and not wheatley and crable.......mayo and guyton have generated numbers because they have been on the field so much, but they need to make the next step in terms of reading the offense and being able to make some plays.......especially in the passing game

the pats had a good 2009 draft in terms of providing a quantity of NFL caliber bodies who will stick on the roster.......as for full time starters, only vollmer has displayed that capacity......I feel good about butler as a starter and edelman as a 3rd WR......I feel good about chung and pryor as regulars in the rotation.....chung could be a starter in another year....but brace has become a waste, especially given wilforks extension......there were prospects later in the draft that would have been more effective, and that 2nd round pick could have provided any of a number of OLB's who week could feel much better about now.......barwin was cut out to be a patriot and I just think that brace was a stupid stupid choice at that point.....I mean WTF was the FO thinking?

PatsWickedPissah

Brutal, but on target. Case in point, I like Mike Reiss very much, but when he departs from reporting facts and ventures into issuing opinions he's just as fallible as all of us. So is SMY.

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tanked_as_usual

you're kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth here......

it is objective to see the roster and say the pats have a major problem at TE,OLB,WR, and RDE......you can also question the situation at RB, ILB

until the pats do something about those issues, 8-8 is not far off the target.....yeah, sure, the homers can say 'its only march, its only march!!!', but the bottom line is that this is what it looks like right now......

at this point in the cycle, you can say that this is the worst the pats roster has looked at the end of march since 2002......and even then based on the 3-4 scheme, at least you could say the most important part of the scheme (the LB's) were peaking, so you had the brains of the defense intact.....

its one thing to be negative for no reason, its another to sit here and be able to say 'the pats don't have the LB's to be effective in this scheme' because they don't, and they don't grow on trees, and they don't show up pre-packaged to be effective in this scheme

BradyManny

I like Breer a lot - though I have found the name-dropping peculiar. He does have a tendency to do that...not sure why. But I think Breer may be the best all-around football reporter, with Reiss/Curran closely behind.

SMY has been great for the ProJo, but I'm not sure how I like her start with that Globe chat. That is a woefully negative view of things. Sure, some of her points are valid, but an 8-8 team?

This team held the lead during the 4th quarter in 14 of 16 its regular season games. It's a lot closer to being an elite team than it is an 8-8 team.

All we need is Brady to get weapons good enough to let his killer-instinct takeover 4th quarter games, and a defense that can protect leads. We haven't added the players to accomplish that yet, but we are loaded going into the draft and we have re-signed every critical player from last season, so one can assume that this team can only improve.

spacecrime

A few more? How long haave you been a Pats fan? Branch played well his rookie year. Light did. Samuel started at corner as a rook. Many have.We've had UDFA play meaningful minutes. Randall Gay covered TO in the superbowl his rookie year. TO had one catch, and that came when Gay was bowled over by the Iggles' FB on a pic play.

THere have been a lot more than 4 rookies contribute meaningul minutes in 9 years, but how can you say BB's philosophy over 9 years is bad compared to the rest of the league? Who else can compare with the success of the Pats during BB's tenure? I don't get the BB hate.


Yeah, I'd argue seriously that a one and three 2's will yield one, maybe two or more players who will provide an impact. What is the deal all of a sudden that no rookies contributed for any teams this decade?


Dislike to get into homers vs haters. I prefer to think of it as a Pats supporters vs pats detractors, but if you insist of a homer-hater delineation: Your hatred knows no bounds.

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JMarr

Like I said in another post, I'm hopeful that this draft will yield a great rookie crop and that 1 or 2 can make an immediate impact. This is a make or break draft IMO both for now and for the future. If you read my posts you would know that I'm not a "BB hater," nor am I one to get overly caught up in the homer vs. chicken little mentality. I was merely responding to one of the few posters who actually makes the term "homer" a meaningful description.

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