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***R_T26*** · 03-21-2006, 04:30 PM

if anyone thinks you can replace all these starters w/ june 1st cuts, your naive.

***BelichickFan*** · 03-21-2006, 04:32 PM

Givens is the only one who can't be replaced IMO. And he could be replaced, we'll just have to get a little lucky.

Pats726 · 03-21-2006, 04:32 PM

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if anyone thinks you can replace all these starters w/ june 1st cuts, your naive.

If anyone thinks the Patriots are now dead, they are dumber than a tree.

SoonerPatriot · 03-21-2006, 04:34 PM

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Givens is the only one who can't be replaced IMO. And he could be replaced, we'll just have to get a little lucky.

Add Vinatieri to the list. BBFan you have your agenda towards him for whatever reason, but the fact is he's a reliable kicker who may go to the HOF some day.

***BelichickFan*** · 03-21-2006, 04:36 PM

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Add Vinatieri to the list. BBFan you have your agenda towards him for whatever reason, but the fact is he's a reliable kicker who may go to the HOF some day.

I have no agenda. But he was 20th in the league in FG% last year. Admittedly in a tough place to kick but the probability that we can get a guy to go 18/25 and one of those two FG not being a game loser is pretty good.

***R_T26*** · 03-21-2006, 04:37 PM

I dont think they are dead, but they are weaker. If Branch and Seymour dont get extensions this offseason it will be a wasted offseason. Players around the league are declining the Patriots offers, our clutch players are leaving, and the Patriots are getting a bad reputation. You cant put anything positive on this.

SoonerPatriot · 03-21-2006, 04:40 PM

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I have no agenda. But he was 20th in the league in FG% last year. Admittedly in a tough place to kick but the probability that we can get a guy to go 18/25 and one of those two FG not being a game loser is pretty good.

At this point we're looking at a JAG or a rookie. If the game is on the line and it's raining or snowing and said FG kicker has to make a game winning kick, do you feel as comfortable with the JAG/Rookie as you did when AV was in that situation?

***BelichickFan*** · 03-21-2006, 04:45 PM

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At this point we're looking at a JAG or a rookie. If the game is on the line and it's raining or snowing and said FG kicker has to make a game winning kick, do you feel as comfortable with the JAG/Rookie as you did when AV was in that situation?

Of course I don't. But the odds of needing one aren't all that great. We'll see who/how the new guy is and what the money is spent on.

SoonerPatriot · 03-21-2006, 04:47 PM

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Of course I don't. But the odds of needing one aren't all that great. We'll see who/how the new guy is and what the money is spent on.

This team finds itself in a lot of close games. Games that are often decided by a point or two. In fact that was one of the big points the Pats doubters had about the Dynasty -- we didn't dominate anyone. The odds of needing him really don't matter until you actually need him. I wouldn't bet a nickel against this team not needing a clutch kick at some point next regular season or at some point in the playoffs if we make them.

***BelichickFan*** · 03-21-2006, 04:56 PM

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This team finds itself in a lot of close games. Games that are often decided by a point or two. In fact that was one of the big points the Pats doubters had about the Dynasty -- we didn't dominate anyone. The odds of needing him really don't matter until you actually need him. I wouldn't bet a nickel against this team not needing a clutch kick at some point next regular season or at some point in the playoffs if we make them.

Even if we need a game winning playoff kick . . . the loss is the difference between the chance of Vinatieri making it minus the new guy making it, offset by whatever we add with the money difference.