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Old 03-21-2006, 11:07 AM   #21
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I think it's far too early to speculate on Adam. Let him decide his own future. The only tell is that the Patriots have placed the franchise tag on him twice already - that right there says negotiations don't necessarily come easy with him. I could list off a myriad of guesses why AV hasn't signed yet, including pride, price, and perhaps maybe he doesn't want to face the expectations placed on him anymore - but that would be speculation only.

Free agency runs through the end of July. That means there is plenty of time, for both sides. IMHO, Vinatieri could even wait until the 2006 season starts and grab himself a high paying one year deal from a desperate team.
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:08 AM   #22
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If GB was significantly more, he would have signed when he was over there.
I dunno....if they're even, he would've re-signed here in a heartbeat. My guess is that GB's offer is enough over the NE offer that he is now weighing all the externals (i.e. media, endorsements, long-term lifestyle, etc).

OTOH, GB is closer to South Dakota.
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:12 AM   #23
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I think it's far too early to speculate on Adam. Let him decide his own future. The only tell is that the Patriots have placed the franchise tag on him twice already - that right there says negotiations don't necessarily come easy with him. I could list off a myriad of guesses why AV hasn't signed yet, including pride, price, and perhaps maybe he doesn't want to face the expectations placed on him anymore - but that would be speculation only.

Free agency runs through the end of July. That means there is plenty of time, for both sides. IMHO, Vinatieri could even wait until the 2006 season starts and grab himself a high paying one year deal from a desperate team.
Good points all. But what happens when either NE, GB, or both get tired of the drama and sign other kickers for 2 million or so?

1) AV loses leverage and may well sign an offer for less than he's been offered already, or

2) AV doesn't play this year, as all jobs are taken. Of course, if that happened, a team would cut their kicker immediately and sign Adam, but then that reverts to the first point.

Unless Adam is comfortable not getting paid this year, it's a dangerous game if he's playing it like you suggest.
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GB is closer to South Dakota.
I've seen this mentioned here before. He lives in Florida now, near Orlando. I don't know how much of the SD thing comes into play in regards to his decision.
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I think it's far too early to speculate on Adam. Let him decide his own future. The only tell is that the Patriots have placed the franchise tag on him twice already - that right there says negotiations don't necessarily come easy with him. I could list off a myriad of guesses why AV hasn't signed yet, including pride, price, and perhaps maybe he doesn't want to face the expectations placed on him anymore - but that would be speculation only.

Free agency runs through the end of July. That means there is plenty of time, for both sides. IMHO, Vinatieri could even wait until the 2006 season starts and grab himself a high paying one year deal from a desperate team.
Excellent points. We as Patriots fans applaud the Patriots' slow and methodical approach to free agency. I do not understand why when a player shows the same characteristics he gets criticized. This could be the last big contract for Adam. If I were him, I would ensure that I had all the facts before I made such a momental decision. I would not rush my decision just to placate impatient fans.
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I think it's far too early to speculate on Adam. Let him decide his own future. The only tell is that the Patriots have placed the franchise tag on him twice already - that right there says negotiations don't necessarily come easy with him. I could list off a myriad of guesses why AV hasn't signed yet, including pride, price, and perhaps maybe he doesn't want to face the expectations placed on him anymore - but that would be speculation only.

Free agency runs through the end of July. That means there is plenty of time, for both sides. IMHO, Vinatieri could even wait until the 2006 season starts and grab himself a high paying one year deal from a desperate team.
Excellent post. I think what we're experiencing here is an "Internet message board frenzy". What IS the big rush on this? Plenty of pro sports heroes have even sat out parts of a season to get what they wanted. Joe DiMaggio did it for, want to say, $25K in 1939 or so. There was no free agency then, but the Yankees could have tried to trade Joe. Yeah, right.
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The only thing I know is that if he does come back all of the negative comments about him will disappear, and you will never be able to find anyone who, when the love Adam threads reappear, will say they wanted him gone because he had a bad attitude.

His 'goodwill' will be back to normal the second he inks the deal, or at least the first time he kicks a FG.
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The only thing I know is that if he does come back all of the negative comments about him will disappear, and you will never be able to find anyone who, when the love Adam threads reappear, will say they wanted him gone because he had a bad attitude.

His 'goodwill' will be back to normal the second he inks the deal, or at least the first time he kicks a FG.
So true. LOL
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The only thing I know is that if he does come back all of the negative comments about him will disappear, and you will never be able to find anyone who, when the love Adam threads reappear, will say they wanted him gone because he had a bad attitude.
I doubt you'll find anyone who would be unhappy to have him back . . . but you will find a good number who'll be upset if we overpay him.
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The only thing I know is that if he does come back all of the negative comments about him will disappear, and you will never be able to find anyone who, when the love Adam threads reappear, will say they wanted him gone because he had a bad attitude.

His 'goodwill' will be back to normal the second he inks the deal, or at least the first time he kicks a FG.
Exactly. And if he should sign with GB or another team, he will be demonized.

It will be said that we are better off without him and that he is not the best clutch kicker in football anymore. That's already taken place in some degree on this board.
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