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Old 03-12-2010, 10:15 AM   #1
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Default OK, we officially need 5 receivers

With the patriots not using the tight end and running backs much as receivers, it is time to accept that in order for Brady to have enough weapons, we need five wide receivers that are able to be significant contributers.

For me, Tate is the #5 for now, with Patten, Aiken and Stanback as alternatives if he fails.
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We have no #2 or #4. Moss is a fine #1 and Edelman is a fine #3 (slot) wide receiver.
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I have said that the offense is almost set with regard to roster, needing only 2 TE's, 2 WR's and a RB upgrade. The other 20 positions are fine. However, this is a tall order when we continue to pass on receivers and tight ends, even in these first week or so. Every day a receiver option goes away. It is early, but as of now, even ignoring Brady, we are one injury away from total disaster on the offense. If we want to consider ourselves a Super Bowl, we should be able to play without Moss for at least some of the year. We know that Welker is no playing anyn time soon; it's not like he got injured in Game 1.

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Old 03-12-2010, 10:18 AM   #2
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With the patriots not using the tight end and running backs much as receivers, it is time to accept that in order for Brady to have enough weapons, we need five wide receivers that are able to be significant contributers.

For me, Tate is the #5 for now, with Patten, Aiken and Stanback as alternatives if he fails.
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We have no #2 or #4. Moss is a fine #1 and Edelman is a fine #3 (slot) wide receiver.
How many times do you think the Patriots lined up in 5 WR formation in the past? (I'm talking 5 WR not empty backfield)
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With the patriots not using the tight end and running backs much as receivers, it is time to accept that in order for Brady to have enough weapons, we need five wide receivers that are able to be significant contributers.

For me, Tate is the #5 for now, with Patten, Aiken and Stanback as alternatives if he fails.
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We have no #2 or #4. Moss is a fine #1 and Edelman is a fine #3 (slot) wide receiver.
You have a valid point.
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Default Re: OK, we officially need 5 receivers.

not sure what was wrong with the charlie weis way of doing things where the the general impression NFL-wide was the amazement with the number of different targets that would be used in any given game...you used to hear '3 or more receptions by 6 different targets'

does the offense really need to be that 'dynamic'?
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How many times do you think the Patriots lined up in 5 WR formation in the past? (I'm talking 5 WR not empty backfield)
Injuries, bro. Think about it.
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Default Re: OK, we officially need 5 receivers.

In order to run the 4 receiver set, we need at least five receivers. There are different roles. In addition, there are injuries. Finally, if one of your five isn't devloping well, or playing well, you need to have options.

My personal best case is to have two tight ends who can block and catch passes, as well as three recieving running backs. We have decided not to go in that direction.

In 2007, we could count on Faulk and Watson running deep as receiver options. So, we needed only three receivers. We had Moss and Welker. For part of the year Stallworth was productive and for the rest, Gaffney was productive. Faulk was also a major part of the short passing game. Faulk WAS the #4 receiver and Watson the #5.

QUOTE=emoney_33;1756910]How many times do you think the Patriots lined up in 5 WR formation in the past? (I'm talking 5 WR not empty backfield)[/QUOTE]

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surprised Reed wasn't offered a contract. He would be a good addition to this team.
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not sure what was wrong with the charlie weis way of doing things where the the general impression NFL-wide was the amazement with the number of different targets that would be used in any given game...you used to hear '3 or more receptions by 6 different targets'

does the offense really need to be that 'dynamic'?

No, it doesn't, but you need NFL caliber receivers to make it work. I don't think Stanbach fits this criteria, and even though I hope he can still play, Patten probably doesn't either.
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not sure what was wrong with the charlie weis way of doing things where the the general impression NFL-wide was the amazement with the number of different targets that would be used in any given game...you used to hear '3 or more receptions by 6 different targets'

does the offense really need to be that 'dynamic'?
That's what we need to get back to. We used to operate out of twin TE's more frequently. Allot more under center for Brady and play action. Move the chains, not chuck and duck! We need TE's and recievers at this point. The reason lesser known recievers did well in the past is because there was a threat of a running game so play action was effective. With the amount of time Brady spends in the shotgun, cornerbacks need not worry about peaking into the backfield they just focus solely on their man.
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That's what we need to get back to. We used to operate out of twin TE's more frequently. Allot more under center for Brady and play action. Move the chains, not chuck and duck! We need TE's and recievers at this point. The reason lesser known recievers did well in the past is because there was a threat of a running game so play action was effective. With the amount of time Brady spends in the shotgun, cornerbacks need not worry about peaking into the backfield they just focus solely on their man.
Need a running game that demands respect and receivers that get the respect from the secondary.

Without those two things, play-action is irrelevent.
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