JackBauer

In other words, people can put the spin they want on this, and here's the spin I want on this.

Box_O_Rocks

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upstater1

Considering we had one guy from 2007 make the roster, I don't think his argument is that bad.

Why do you think that EVERY single player from this year's draft made the team and only 1 player made the team in 2007.

In 2007, the team was absolutely loaded.

Put it this way: when they do this study again next year and they take into account 2009, the Patriots

Butler, Brace, Chung, Vollmer, McKenzie, Tate, Ohrnberger, Bussey, Pryor, Ingram, Richard, Edelman, they're going to count at least 10 guys to the total, and suddenly New England is going to skyrocket from 32nd to the top part of the league.

Why?

My answer: the team was more depleted and there was less competition.

LasVegasPatsFan

If you are looking for a silver lining to this just stop right now. Draft picks are used to help build your team for the future. If we are last on the list, this is an indication that the Pats success is not a product of the draft but FA or UFA acquisitions. I hope we draft better in the upcoming years.

jmt57

The years being used seem arbitrary, almost to the point of looking for stats to make the Pats look bad (and increase readership as a result.) For example, why end in 2008 rather than 2009? Why not look at how many players on the roster were originally drafted by those teams, rather than start in 2004? If the purpose is to evaluate how each team evaluates college talent, how about including undrafted free agents that never signed a contract with another team?

The biggest factor working against the Pats is that starting point. 2004 was the second of two consecutive NFL championships, and the third in four years. The reality is that any team on that kind of a roll is going to have far fewer openings than any other team in the league at that point in time.

Another factor not being taken into account is where the Pats have drafted each year. If you are going to compare the Pats and Lions drafts over the last five years, shouldn't there be some sort of weighting for what spot each team was drafting from?

Lastly, there's no accounting for trading of draft picks. I'm not just talking about Moss and Welker either. For example the Jets traded up and had in my opinion a very good draft last year. But using Pro Football Weekly's metrics, it would have been sub-standard since they retained only three players.

If this study is trying to imply that the Pats are the absolutely worst drafting team in the NFL since 2004, I just don't buy it. If that was the case, then there would be no way that they would still be winning the division with double-digit winning seasons at this point.

Willie55

But if your team is loaded and there is no spot for you draft picks why would you keep them around? If you already have a person on the roster that is better than the draft pick you're not going to keep the draft pick just to say that we kept more draft picks than everybody else while going 10-6 (instead of 16-0 ).

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kolbitr

I'm certainly one of those who thinks that the Pats' drafts have had some real bad years, but I'm not sure this sort of analysis proves that. Look at those numbers...if we had one more drafted player on the roster from those years, we would be league average. If we had two more, we'd be in the next tier.

Look at it this way...if the Pats had kept any two of Ellis Hobbs, Kevin O'Connell, Chad Jackson, or David Thomas on the roster, they'd be above league-average. Just two of those guys, all of whom were either released, or traded for peanuts. They might not be contributing to the team, but they'd be ON THE ROSTER (cf V. Gholston). And we wouldn't be having *this* discussion.

The real crime in all of that is the failure that was Chad Jackson. Having just one more playmaker on this team would have made a huge difference this year. Compare the difference Between Chad Jackson and a guy like DeSean Jackson, or Percy Harvin...

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upstater1

We heard the same exact stuff in 2001.

Jackson 2

I believe an even more interesting piece of information would be the answer to this question: How many Patriots' draft choices from 2004-08 are still on NFL rosters and how does that number compare with other teams? Anyone have that data or know how it can be obtained?

patsfan-1982

when your a great team that picks at the bottem of the draft ever year. and half of the time trade out of the first round not a lot of rookies will make the team. this year most of the core vets the pats won with all dose years are gone. so we seen someting like 10 or 11 rookies make the team.



it is what it is. we can't get mad and say the pats have not drafted will. when every year thay put out a team that has a shot at the super bowl. you can't win the SB if you don't make the playoffs and the pats have made it 7 out of the last 10 years. and have had 9 winning seasons in a row. i think the 49ers who are at the top of this list would be happy for just one winning season.