Sean Payton borrowed Bill Belichick's brass balls - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

pheenix11 · 02-08-2010, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by the wrothbroughterer

My friends and I were all in agreement that outside of Brees, he was far and away the MVP of that game. Not bad for a guy that has only made 22FG in his career.

Yup, Hartley was totally money. When I went to pick my son up at my parents, first thing my Dad said was that the Saints wouldn't have been in the game if it weren't for their kicker. Those were not chip shots either. Kid came up huge.

***ctpatsfan77*** · 02-08-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Batman

Sanvara the only stats I could find on surprise onside kicks says that in 06 more than half were recovered by the kicking team. I am sure sean Payton would have known it was better than normal. I would hope that my guys would cover 10 yards with a running start faster than the front line of a kick off team would read react and cover 5 plus typically not such good hands. However the kick was a poor kick and went 15 yards and took a lucky bounce and some poor handling and it paid off.

Onside kicks usually fail if the receiving team expects it to happen, and usually succeed if they're caught unawares.

***BradyFTW!*** · 02-08-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KontradictioN

Ehhhh, here we go. I, for one, thought that the onside kick on the kickoff was not a good call. If the Saints had lost that kickoff (which they damn near did), they pretty much put Manning in striking range, that game shifts to the Colts, and they probably win it. Was it ballsy? Sure. However, it is only considered "ballsy" because it worked. If it didn't work, it would have been stupid. I, for one, am glad that it worked. However, it's not necessarily a call that I agree with.

I think a good point that you bring up is that the result doesn't change whether it was a good call or not. If it was a good call, then it was a good call whether or not it worked. Same with if it was a bad call. Personally, I disagree: I think that it was a good call. That said, I would still think that it was a good call if it hadn't worked (just as I thought 4th and 2 was a good call in of itself, although I didn't necessarily agree with the specifics of it).

***Joker*** · 02-08-2010, 12:16 AM

if you are 5 point favorites and you claim to have the "greatest player in NFL history!!!!!" and you brag about how fast your players are and how rock solid your execution is and how supremely talented your coaching staff is, you DO NOT get "caught unaware", have the ball bounce off your hands,give up the possession and let the other team score...so maybe Toe-Knee Dungheap can fill us all in on what went so wrong as his snotty, haughty, dismissive prediction got shoved in his big mouth and down his arrogant throat.

***BradyFTW!*** · 02-08-2010, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by the wrothbroughterer

My friends and I were all in agreement that outside of Brees, he was far and away the MVP of that game. Not bad for a guy that has only made 22FG in his career.

Top five players of the game:

Brees, Hartley, Porter, Addai, Roby.

***BradyFTW!*** · 02-08-2010, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BionicPatriot

Well that's true. When Iw as watching the pile up I was saying to my dad " still don't like the call" . Just because I said it's something out of Belichick's book doesn't always means it's right. It's like saying you have a friend whos got balls and can come through in some jams but doesn't always make the right choice. Payton is a very young coach who hasn't been around long enough, but we as Pats fans would know. Years from now one day someone will say he too has become arrogant, etc. with such calls. The world has a very short attention span

And when they say that, he'll still have a lombardi to point to and they still won't.

Batman · 02-08-2010, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

Top five players of the game:

Brees, Hartley, Porter, Addai, Roby.

I am not sure I would put Roby above Henderson or Colston They made a lot of grabs and getting blocks all game long

SVN · 02-08-2010, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker

if you are 5 point favorites and you claim to have the "greatest player in NFL history!!!!!" and you brag about how fast your players are and how rock solid your execution is and how supremely talented your coaching staff is, you DO NOT get "caught unaware", have the ball bounce off your hands,give up the possession and let the other team score...so maybe Toe-Knee Dungheap can fill us all in on what went so wrong as his snotty, haughty, dismissive prediction got shoved in his big mouth and down his arrogant throat.

tony dungy was the head coach when the whole universe knew that the bigges offensive threat for the bears was devon hester and they colts kicked it to him and gave an opening kickoff TD !!!

Patspsycho · 02-08-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker

if you are 5 point favorites and you claim to have the "greatest player in NFL history!!!!!" and you brag about how fast your players are and how rock solid your execution is and how supremely talented your coaching staff is, you DO NOT get "caught unaware", have the ball bounce off your hands,give up the possession and let the other team score...so maybe Toe-Knee Dungheap can fill us all in on what went so wrong as his snotty, haughty, dismissive prediction got shoved in his big mouth and down his arrogant throat.

I like his new name. I'll make a note of it.

***Joker*** · 02-08-2010, 12:44 AM

I apologize for being so rancorous.

I've been chafing and bristling as this season has wound down at all this pure unadulterated Manning crotch hugging going on ad nauseum.

Reality bites again...