Decade of players "drafted" under BB and Pioli - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

TimU · 01-17-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DonBlackmon55

Draft Grade for the Decade = C+

I sort of think its a C+ too. But to be fair you would have to compare these results to those of the other teams. I am guessing the Pats would rank in the lower middle, but I really don't know.

JackBauer · 01-17-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TimU

I sort of think its a C+ too. But to be fair you would have to compare these results to those of the other teams. I am guessing the Pats would rank in the lower middle, but I really don't know.

Then you should probably avoid speculating, lest you look foolish.

***jmt57*** · 01-17-2010, 08:14 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If you are going to label draft picks as studs or busts, you need some specifics and metrics for those labels.
If you are going to grade a team's draft, then you need to compare them to all 31 other teams. Without that comparison we have no idea if 25% is good, or if 75% is bad.
If you are going to grade drafts, you have to determine the effects of trades and original draft positions. If I trade all my picks for current players and picks next year, with the exception of a 7th round compensatory pick who gets cut, does that mean my team earns an F? If I have six picks in the first two rounds and two are good, does that mean I get an 'A' even if the four others were horrible picks?
If you are going to say 'we passed over this guy', then you have to do the same thing for every other team that passed by that player. And if you are going to point out every player that didn't work out, then you have to do the same thing for all 31 other teams.

JackBauer · 01-17-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Riddler

Don't fret JackBauer, the biggest Patriots rump-swab you'll ever find. The biggest BB aplogist you will ever find. Absolutely comical to disbelief !

Welcome to my ignore list.

fester · 01-17-2010, 08:15 PM

Please define your evaluation criteria; as I would add Maroney, Watson, Kaczur into the average contribution area, as well as Wilson. I would push Warren into major impact. I would also remove the 4th round picks that you include (Davey is the first that leapt out at me). I would also try to get my facts straight (Watson was a 1st rounder BTW etc)

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Originally Posted by DonBlackmon55

Here it goes for the Decade...looking at Rds 1-3 primarily as these are typically considered prospects that should make the team and be strong contributors as the roster churns annually.

32 total selected in rd 1-3
16 on Offense
16 on Defense

excluding 2009 draftees....
MAJOR IMPACT (Seymour, Light, Wilfork, Warren, Mankins) - 5
AVG CONTRIBUTION (Graham, Warren, Branch, Meriweather, Mankins, Hobbs) - 5
BUSTS (Klemm, Redmond, Williams, Davey, Wilson, Johnson, Watson, Hill, Scott, Kaczur, Jackson, Thomas, Wheatley, Crable, O'Connell) - 15

Most alarming is the number of Rd #2 picks and how many turned out to be complete busts....

2000
2. Adrian Klemm
3. JR Redmond

2001
1. R. Seymour
2. M. Light
3. Brock Williams

2002
1. D. Graham
2. D. Branch
3. R. Davey

2003
1. Ty Warren
2. E. Wilson
2. B. Johnson

2004
1. V. Wilfork
2. B. Watson
2. M. Hill
3. Gus Scott

2005
1. L. Mankins
3. E. Hobbs
3. N. Kaczur

2006
1. L. Maroney
2. C. Jackson
3. D. Thomas

2007
1. B. Merriweather

2008
1. Mayo
2. Wheatley
3. Crable
3. K. O'Connell

2009.
2. Chung
2. Brace
2. Butler
2. Vollmer
3. Tate
3. Mackenzie

Draft Grade for the Decade = C+

holyredeemer · 01-17-2010, 08:16 PM

I liked where you were going here, then I read the post >.< It's really sad how you just threw the info you chose to throw up there, and didnt include all of the information needed to truly throw things into question. Thats the problem here. You picked a subject and a thread that would take up a lot of time to research and compile, and just the fact that you thought about doing it is admirable but, the post was really lazy. I could sit here and go on and on about many of those draft picks that you labeled a bust, or avg. contributors, but I wont. Why? Because Im lazy.

As a poster said before me. 3 SB's. 'Nuff said!

PATSYLICIOUS · 01-17-2010, 08:19 PM

Can a thread get closed for sucking so bad?

alvinnf · 01-17-2010, 08:19 PM

Everybody is having a big ole' group hug circle cry, nice. Interestingly at the end of the Chargers game the announcer pointed out that Peyton Manning will be playing in his third AFC Championship game. Think about it and step away from the ledge. There are 3 shiny Lombardi's in a case in Foxboro. Great decade, many more wins to come.

upstater1 · 01-17-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by teknos1s

kind of shocked at how many busts actually - but i dont know how that compare to other teams busts...but man - some of these names just make me cringe

Uh, only if you have a bias and totally underrate players.

Eugene Wilson wasn't a bust. He gave us three excellent years of play, and then fell off the map after injuries and concussions.

If Deion Branch's contributions were average, here's hoping we draft a bunch of average players.

Deion caught 21 passes in 2 Super Bowls, and then landed us a first rounder in a trade.

That's average?

You can't say Meriwether is average either.

fair catch fryar · 01-17-2010, 08:22 PM

Hill as a bust? WTF? The guy died trying to save someone else after spending only 3 years in the system. Sorry, but you have to exclude him IMO