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thanks for the replys guys you all make good points and we shall see what BB and co do come draft and FA time
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I find it interesting that we have needs in ALL the units, on offense and defense. No unit is set for 2006 and 2007. See below for 13 needs.
We are talking about team needs, which can be met in free agency, the draft, or by using on of the UDFA's or ex-practice squad guys. I think the best way to approach this is to look at the current rosters, add the ERFA's (who have nowhere to go) and see where the holes are. We will then have 2006 needs and future needs.
2006 Needs
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#1,#2,#3 WIDE RECEIVER
As of now we have Branch (for a year), Bethel Johnson and Childress. We could go with what we have at any other position but this one. The need is critical and we need to fill FOUR or FIVE rosters spots, after Branch.
#4 CORNERBACK
Last year bb brought in about a half dozen. Some are comfortable with Samuel,Hobbs,Gay and a couple of jag veterans. I think we need more. Scott should be brought back as a start, and Starks renegotiated, if healthy.
#5 SAFETY
This need could be met from current players. We have Wilson. We need at least three more. How ready is Harrison? Is Sanders ready for primetime? Is
Guss Scott? Should we re-sign Hawkins (a big yes from me).
#6 QUARTERBACK
We have two; we need one more.
#7 TIGHT END
We need three tight ends that can start in the NFL for a playoff team that uses TE's extensively. We have one long-term, and one through 2006. Both have been injured more than once. BTW, this is a GREAT Day One TE draft.
#8 OFFENSIVE LINE
We have Light,Mankins,Koppen,Hochstein,Kaycur,Gorin and a few young prospects (Mruc,Yates and Britt). As of now, Koppen and Light come back to take the roster spots of Neal and Ashworth. I think one more Day OL or mid-level veteran would make a huge difference to our running game, and to Brady's health.
#9 RUNNING BACK/FULLBACK
Who will be our fourth running back this year? Will we carry five? Will we draft another Cobb, hoping for 2007 contributions. I would add a veteran. The draft doesn't ahve much, but I'm fine adding a draftee ALSO.
#10 KICKER
Oh yeah, we need a kicker.
2007 AND BEYOND
#11 LINEBACKER
I'm fine with canning TBC and Chatham to bring in a kid that likely won't play until McGinist leaves or someone is hurt. For my money, we are set for 2006 with four great starters and two veteran backups. BTW, If Chad Brown or Beisel is to go, I think we would bring in another veteran. Personally, I think bb has done fine bringing in veteran linebackers.
#12, #13 DEFENSIVE LINE
We need to assess the situation with Seymour and Hill. If they are both contributers long-term, we have the best in the league. If on the other extreme, if one is in his last year and the other is a bust, then we need help now. Klecko's spot is open.
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#9 RUNNING BACK/FULLBACK
Who will be our fourth running back this year? Will we carry five? Will we draft another Cobb, hoping for 2007 contributions. I would add a veteran. The draft doesn't ahve much, but I'm fine adding a draftee ALSO.
#10 KICKER
Oh yeah, we need a kicker.
2007 AND BEYOND
#11 LINEBACKER
I'm fine with canning TBC and Chatham to bring in a kid that likely won't play until McGinist leaves or someone is hurt. For my money, we are set for 2006 with four great starters and two veteran backups. BTW, If Chad Brown or Beisel is to go, I think we would bring in another veteran. Personally, I think bb has done fine bringing in veteran linebackers.
Addressing the LB... Long before Chatham or TBC is cut Larry Izzo joins the players over the hill and round the bend. He has slipped badly this past year. He was outplayed by Don Davis, Mike Stone and both TBC and Chatham...
And Chatham can play regualar defensive snaps as a backup, without embarrassing the team. He had double digit tackle totals ( 16?) playing with the all second string game against MIAMI, AS AN ILB. We know he played well filling in for Vrabel a few years ago, at OLB.
MiIke Stone, 28, is the new Cherry/Izzo and is a LOCK to make the team, IMHO. He had almost as many ST tackles as Izzo while playing less than half as many games...
Elsewhere, AV is not a cowpoke, yet...
I agree, BB will sign an aging vet FA RB and draft one later too. Only Lendale White might entice BB ifhe fell to the Pats, IMO...
Last edited by AzPatsFan; 02-26-2006 at 02:31 PM..
Whomever wrote that article did a lousy job on their homework and no one has mentioned this line:
Quote:
McGinnest and Vrabel are both free agents this offseason, and even if they manage to keep both LBs, McGinnest turns 35 next season. While Vrabel is playing as well as he ever has, I doubt he takes a small contract in return for his services, and the Pats don't have much cap room.
Neither McGinest NOR Vrabel are free agents. McGinest is signed through 2007 and Vrabel is signed through 2009. So all his blathering bout the cap room is irrelevent.
The guys analysis is pretty bad, in all honesty. Just from the numerous mistakes he makes.
Chatham is a UFA. Taking him into consideration is worthless. The guy doesn't mention Claridge who has a year with the Pats (granted he traveled back and forth from Las Vegas, but I still bet he was doing the workouts per Mike Woicik and the Pats team dr.)
The the fact that the guy was wrong on Branch being a free agent.
How can this hack say that Sanders doesn't look like he will be a star after 1 season? That is just ignorance talking.
Or, how about the fact that Amos Zereoue hasn't been with the team since November or early december.
Pretty much a worthless read other than the positions themselves.
I find it interesting that we have needs in ALL the units, on offense and defense. No unit is set for 2006 and 2007. See below for 13 needs.
We are talking about team needs, which can be met in free agency, the draft, or by using on of the UDFA's or ex-practice squad guys. I think the best way to approach this is to look at the current rosters, add the ERFA's (who have nowhere to go) and see where the holes are. We will then have 2006 needs and future needs.
2006 Needs
-----------
#1,#2,#3 WIDE RECEIVER
As of now we have Branch (for a year), Bethel Johnson and Childress. We could go with what we have at any other position but this one. The need is critical and we need to fill FOUR or FIVE rosters spots, after Branch.
MG - You forgot Michael McGrew, Rich Mushinski and John Stone. McGrew was on the IR for the Pats all year. Mushinski was a camp invitee last year and played decently. Still doesn't change the fact that the Pats will probably bring in 3-4 more WRs, 2 of which will be veterans.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgteich
#4 CORNERBACK
Last year bb brought in about a half dozen. Some are comfortable with Samuel,Hobbs,Gay and a couple of jag veterans. I think we need more. Scott should be brought back as a start, and Starks renegotiated, if healthy.
Well, the Pats have eliminated Starks from the equation for the time being. I agree that they will bring in another couple of JAG veterans. Possibly Poteat and Chad Scott again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgteich
#5 SAFETY
This need could be met from current players. We have Wilson. We need at least three more. How ready is Harrison? Is Sanders ready for primetime? Is
Guss Scott? Should we re-sign Hawkins (a big yes from me).
I agree with you on Hawkins. I also think that Michael Stone earned a return ticket. It will be interesting to see if Guss Scott received a tender offer.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgteich
#6 QUARTERBACK
We have two; we need one more.
#7 TIGHT END
We need three tight ends that can start in the NFL for a playoff team that uses TE's extensively. We have one long-term, and one through 2006. Both have been injured more than once. BTW, this is a GREAT Day One TE draft.
Personally, I hope the draft FB Matt Bernstein. I honestly believe that he has the ability to be an H-back type player. He runs good routes, has good hands, and is an exceptional blocker in the backfield. The Patriots could, theoretically line up in a 3TE/1RB/1WR set and give it several different looks with Bernstein lined up behind Brady or off to the side. Then they wouldn't know what was coming at them. And Bernstein loves to hit players.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgteich
#8 OFFENSIVE LINE
We have Light,Mankins,Koppen,Hochstein,Kaycur,Gorin and a few young prospects (Mruc,Yates and Britt). As of now, Koppen and Light come back to take the roster spots of Neal and Ashworth. I think one more Day OL or mid-level veteran would make a huge difference to our running game, and to Brady's health.
I think that this is a higher priority than TE or QB, honestly. Neither Gorin nor Hochstein are more than decent back-ups. Gorin is actually worse than Grant "The Turnstile" Williams. The Patriots need at least one more OT/OG and one OG/OC. A guy who could fit all three is Daryn Colledge. Another guy is Jon Scott (who can long snap).
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgteich
#9 RUNNING BACK/FULLBACK
Who will be our fourth running back this year? Will we carry five? Will we draft another Cobb, hoping for 2007 contributions. I would add a veteran. The draft doesn't ahve much, but I'm fine adding a draftee ALSO.
Adding Bernstein as a FB/TE would cover both spots. I agree that the Pats need to add a RB. Joseph Addai or Maurice Drew would be nice.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgteich
#10 KICKER
Oh yeah, we need a kicker.
2007 AND BEYOND
#11 LINEBACKER
I'm fine with canning TBC and Chatham to bring in a kid that likely won't play until McGinist leaves or someone is hurt. For my money, we are set for 2006 with four great starters and two veteran backups. BTW, If Chad Brown or Beisel is to go, I think we would bring in another veteran. Personally, I think bb has done fine bringing in veteran linebackers.
#12, #13 DEFENSIVE LINE
We need to assess the situation with Seymour and Hill. If they are both contributers long-term, we have the best in the league. If on the other extreme, if one is in his last year and the other is a bust, then we need help now. Klecko's spot is open.
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I would like the Pats to take a shot at Derek Smith from the 49ers. He could be just the type of vet LB we were hoping to get in Brown. The Pats DO need to address OLB in the Draft, at the very least but I just don't think that TBC is going to cut it as an every down player.