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Re: Would Gaffney have helped this team?? How about Vrabel??
If Welker has the expected dreaded ACL/MCL Brady injury we will most likely NOT see him until 2011
No way does this type of injury heal within 8 months without added time for rehabbing the knee,especially for a WR like Welker who relies on his knees.
Lets hope it not as bad as Brady had it or Kraft better get one hell of a shopping cart to buy some veteran receivers in a probable uncapped year next season.
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Re: Would Gaffney have helped this team?? How about Vrabel??
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I have to agree with you. Case in point this year even though we all agree it was a very good draft class. More later on that. Many smart members on this forum have suggested picks that the Past could have made Draft day for the last few years. Yes in reply to what all you negative cousins are thinking....it is a brash thought! Some of our members could have done just as well as the Pats Draft brain trust. We all know it's a crap shoot anyway. With the internet and massive media publications and available tape on-line, it is not unreasonable to think that some here may have come up with as good of a Draft class as anyone in Foxborough. I say that with all due respect. Those guys are just human and mistakes are made. Problem is they get paid millions to make them.
Here is my example this year. Would we have been better off taking the Ravens pick we dropped down to, then swapped to Green Bay who took Clay Matthews? We would have lost out on Ron Brace(Butler and Brace were #40-#41 so we could have kept Butler). Brace might become o.k. but for now give me Matthews and his ten sacks and we could have solved the OLB issue for years to come. Seems like Prior was a better choice at DT. We did get a bonus out of that in injured pot head WR Brandon Tate. That has worked well!?! If we Draft Matthews, maybe we don't need to waste a 2010 3rd rounder for Burgess as well.
Next we reached big time for Ohrnberger at OG. I doubt he makes the team next year. Talk about mediocre! Many picks after him came Austin Collie who the Colts took. He has 60+ receptions. I hoped that the Pats would Draft that kid. He and Edelman growing up as Pros here this would have been entertaining, thus your 3rd receiver issue would have been solved with Collie.
So:
Brace and Tate=Matthews -OLB solved
Ohrnberger=Austin Collie-3rd WR solved
We probably save that 2010 3rd rounder for the weak Burgess trade.
If we took a survey I would suspect that the majority of this forum would have opted for Matthews and Collie.
Pretty sure being an NFL GM is not rocket science or how many years experience did it take to screw these few player choices up. Yes, I am saying it. Some on this forum could have made the wiser choices.
Butler and Chung have upside. Volmer, Prior and Edelman were finds yes, but it could have been spectacular. It was common sense to take Matthews and Collie.
DW Toys
You are certainly putting things in the worst possible frame.
For instance, the Matthews pick was traded for Darius Butler, Brandon Tate, Julian Edelman and the Jax 2nd rounder for next year.
Three years from now, Butler may be a starting Pro Bowler, Tate may be our #2 WR, Edelman may be We Welker, and that 2nd rounder who knows?
Re: Would Gaffney have helped this team?? How about Vrabel??
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First of all, Matthews most likely wouldn't excel in this defense. He is horrible at setting the edge (worse than Burgess or Woods). He also couldn't cover a RB or TE to save his life.
As for Collie, The Pats drafted Tate in the hopes his knee would be better for this time of year. It wasn't.
Hindsight being 20/20, you look like a genius. Reality says that you have no clue whether or not those players would have done anything in the Pats system.
Mr. Negative, Weren't you on the Barwin bandwagon? I stated my interest in Collie last year. It was always a thought to have Matthews here would be a realistic fit by most on this forum. I know you are special. I leave the genius stuff to you kind sir.
Cover passes? Neither can Woods or Burgess.
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Re: Would Gaffney have helped this team?? How about Vrabel??
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Really, how does 50 Tackles and 2 sacks while missing two games in a new scheme compare to our OLB options?
TBC 54 Tackles 9.5 Sacks
AT 34 Tackles 3 Sacks
EA 12 Tackles 1 Sack
DB 35 Tackles 5 Sacks
Only TBC has really performed at a much higher level. I think Vrabel would have contributed to the team through his play and leadership.
Vrabel was dumped in favour of Burgess - Burgess > Vrabel. The stats are there. Burgess has out-performed Vrabel despite playing in a brand new system.
The only thing Vrabel had over him was run defense, and I can accept a slightly worse run defender for a better pass rusher. I think we all would have during the pre-season. And right now.
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Re: Would Gaffney have helped this team?? How about Vrabel??
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You bet! This team does not have quality depth and letting players like this go is why. Vrabel's toughness and smarts alone would be helping this D and don't even get me started on casting off guys like Gaffney.
What about Seymour??
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Re: Would Gaffney have helped this team?? How about Vrabel??
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Some on this forum could have made the wiser choices.
Butler and Chung have upside. Volmer, Prior and Edelman were finds yes, but it could have been spectacular. It was common sense to take Matthews and Collie.
For those that can't be bothered clicking the link, it's DW's 2009 Mock Draft from last year (a seven rounder no less!) where he has Matthews on the board when the Pats pick, but then comes up with a trade out of the first round to the start of the second - yet here he is telling us how the Pats were wrong to pass over Matthews and trade out of the first round! And you suggested in a few other threads that the Pats should trade out of the first round!
We have a saying over here, not sure if you know it in the States - practice what you preach.
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Re: Would Gaffney have helped this team?? How about Vrabel??
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If Welker has the expected dreaded ACL/MCL Brady injury we will most likely NOT see him until 2011
No way does this type of injury heal within 8 months without added time for rehabbing the knee,especially for a WR like Welker who relies on his knees.
Lets hope it not as bad as Brady had it or Kraft better get one hell of a shopping cart to buy some veteran receivers in a probable uncapped year next season.
Why not? Braylon Edwards tore his ACL on December 5, 2005 and was playing in the preseason of 2006. Chad Jackson returned from his ACL tear in the playoffs in November the following year (and the Pats were reportly overly cautious not to bring him back to early). Jerry Rice returned 3 1/2 months after his ACL tear. The recovery time for the ACL surgery even for WRs is 7-9 months. The MCL may only add a couple of weeks to the process depending on the tear.
To rule Welker out of 2010 is way, way too premature at this point. This is the same reaction where people were predicting Brady would miss 2010 or at least be PUPed. We don't know the seriousness of the injury. A minor tear of the MCL may not be anything. There is plenty of examples of WRs returning in 7-9 months from an ACL tear. If the MCL is completely torn, it could set him back months. If it is minor, Welker could be back for the start of the 2010 season. We don't know yet.
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