Will Adalius Thomas be a Patriot six months from now? - Page 2 - New England Patriots Forums

carolinatony · 01-02-2010, 07:43 AM

I think they will trade him for whatever they can get.
He has not performed well for us and its not a good locker room player.
I would be surprised if BB brought him back.

***Rob0729*** · 01-02-2010, 07:51 AM

I really doubt he will be on this team next year. Belichick can't keep a malcontent on his roster especially when he is underperforming.

Also all the talk about dead money is irrelevant.

If there is no CBA, that money doesn't exist at all.
If there is a new CBA, cutting him might give the Pats a decent amount of cap space. According to Miguel's site, his cap hit next year is $9.4 million and his remaining dead money will be $8.8 million. Assuming the new CBA will allow teams to spread dead money over two season for cut players like the current CBA, the Pats will free up $5 million in cap space by cutting him. In 2011, Thomas has a $10.4 million cap hit and that move would free up $6 million in cap space that year.

I can't see the Pats keeping Thomas on the books with a $9.4 million cap hit especially when they could sign a more productive and more of a team player with the $5 million they would save by cutting or trading him. Assuming Miguel's future cap hits and cap esptimates for next year are up to date and correct, that will give the Pats $50 million of cap space to fix the problems from this year. I can see the Pats making an effort to sign two good pass rushers with that money.

Mosi Moose · 01-02-2010, 08:32 AM

Voted for No after the storm and no now. Regardless of his actions, I just don't think he fits our defense. Would love to trade him, but have a feeling we just release him.

JoeShmoe · 01-02-2010, 08:40 AM

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Trade him to the Giants for Osi Umenyiora in a swap of malcontents. The contracts would essentially cancel out. Both guys have underperformed but are talented, and could benefit from a change of scene. The Pats need pass rushers more than the Giants, and the Giants desperately need LBs. Thomas is much more talented than anyone the Giants have at LB, and could do well playing behind their killer DL. Each team would get rid of an underperforming problem player and fill a need.

You know you wonder why all these 'completely common sense' types of trades never seem to get done. Osi would be a huge pick up for us

robertweathers · 01-02-2010, 08:40 AM

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Voted for No after the storm and no now. Regardless of his actions, I just don't think he fits our defense. Would love to trade him, but have a feeling we just release him.

Going completely off the deep end here but Thomas' agent is "Bus" Cook- who also represents Favre and Cutler (and Moss). He is the master at getting his clients to shoot their way out of town.

It could go both ways with AD. If AD and Cook think that the market will be substantial for his services, then he may want to get cut. If they think that it'll be light, then he may request that the Pats trade him and he'll renegotiate his deal with his new team. All depends on how the CBA turns out I guess.

Either way I agree. I just don't see AD staying by his choice or the Pats'. Production has just not been there relative to his contract. Maybe BB and he can get on the same page but form what I've read that ship may have sailed...

RayClay · 01-02-2010, 08:50 AM

no and no because.

He's old, it was questionable signing him in the first place. He's not a leader from the old team, or a leader at all, apparently.

He hasn't played that well.

We don't know if his attitude is a good one going forward.
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Having said that, I have no problem if BB thinks he helps.

Our other OLBs are one dimensional, or learning the position.

BB will do what's best for the organization and won't be rushed if he can get some value out of, or for, him.

robertweathers · 01-02-2010, 09:00 AM

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no and no because.

He's old, it was questionable signing him in the first place.

He was 29 when he signed the deal. He came off an All-Pro season. BB has a long track record of getting good production out of OLBs in their early 30s. There was nothing questionable about it. Everyone loved the move. Everyone. Including BB. Since he broke his arm, no question that he been a disappointment.

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He's not a leader from the old team, or a leader at all, apparently.

Mostly true.However in the past his teammates did vote him as a defensive captain (which needs to be approved by position coaches and BB) to start the season so they did think he was a leader. Clearly something changed with him as time wore on.

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Originally Posted by RayClay

He hasn't played that well.

I would argue that he played up to his capabilities before he broke his arm.

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Originally Posted by RayClay

We don't know if his attitude is a good one going forward.
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Having said that, I have no problem if BB thinks he helps.

Our other OLBs are one dimensional, or learning the position.

BB will do what's best for the organization and won't be rushed if he can get some value out of, or for, him.

Couldn't agree more...

RayClay · 01-02-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by robertweathers

He was 29 when he signed the deal. He came off an All-Pro season. BB has a long track record of getting good production out of OLBs in their early 30s. There was nothing questionable about it. Everyone loved the move. Everyone. Including BB. Since he broke his arm, no question that he been a disappointment.

Mostly true.However in the past his teammates did vote him as a defensive captain (which needs to be approved by position coaches and BB) to start the season so they did think he was a leader. Clearly something changed with him as time wore on.

I would argue that he played up to his capabilities before he broke his arm.

Couldn't agree more...

He turned thirty the July before he played a down. Our linebacking corps was already old.

Spin it any way you want, it was a fairly questionable move on a team that was soon to retire it's entire linebacking corps, given the alternative of acquiring someone to learn from the vets who would just be coming into their prime now.

Hindsight is 20 20 obviously, but this was my thought at the time. Had he turned into a great player and leader, I would say I was wrong.

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his teammates did vote him as a defensive captain (which needs to be approved by position coaches and BB) to start the season so they did think he was a leader. Clearly something changed with him as time wore on.

Tricky move trying to hand off leadership like a baton in a relay race. Harrison yes, AD no, apparently.

Ochmed Jones · 01-02-2010, 10:14 AM

If next season is uncapped, there is no need for BB to unload him.

RayClay · 01-02-2010, 10:27 AM

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I checked and I did question AD's acquisition it at the time, though I remained optimistic. Not like I don't admit I'm wrong. I said TBC was a scum sucking rodent who would never be anything but a fill in at best. I've been doing the Wayne's World "I am not worthy" on that one for a while, and very happy to.