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Old 12-21-2009, 04:46 PM   #1
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That's the term Adalius Thomas used to describe the 0-5-6 defense which the Pats used at times against Buffalo yesterday.

New England Patriots use wrinkle on defense against Buffalo Bills - ESPN Boston
Name that defense - Extra Points - Boston.com

Sounds a bit like a defensive version of the Wildcat - the offense doesn't know what players to block because there are so many LBs lined up at the LOS. It's a bit like all the pass rushers the Jets threw at us week 2, which caused a lot of confusion.

Sounds like BB used a variant of it in 2003 against the Bills to, though I don't recall that. It's hard to argue with 6 sacks and 2-12 on 3rd down, even against the Bills.
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Yeah, we've used it before and Crennel used it in Cleveland too. It probably wouldn't work as well against more veteran OL (well, it definitely wouldn't work AS well, how well it would work is uncertain) but it's something to consider in pure passing situations if our pass rush continues to be non existent.
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That's the term Adalius Thomas used to describe the 0-5-6 defense which the Pats used at times against Buffalo yesterday.

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Sounds a bit like a defensive version of the Wildcat - the offense doesn't know what players to block because there are so many LBs lined up at the LOS. It's a bit like all the pass rushers the Jets threw at us week 2, which caused a lot of confusion.

Sounds like BB used a variant of it in 2003 against the Bills to, though I don't recall that. It's hard to argue with 6 sacks and 2-12 on 3rd down, even against the Bills.
It was actually the 2002 game in Buffalo. How I remember that I haven't a clue.
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You know, this is a formation that will work great against the Colts. Against the Colts, the bigmen hurt you more than help you when Manning goes into his quick stuff. Play 0-5-6 and lets see what he will do in the fourth quarter.
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You know, this is a formation that will work great against the Colts. Against the Colts, the bigmen hurt you more than help you when Manning goes into his quick stuff. Play 0-5-6 and lets see what he will do in the fourth quarter.
It could, especially as they run the ball so little and so ineffectively. They have a very veteran OL, though, so it might look very different. However it's almost incumbent that we try something different at this point.
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You know, this is a formation that will work great against the Colts. Against the Colts, the bigmen hurt you more than help you when Manning goes into his quick stuff. Play 0-5-6 and lets see what he will do in the fourth quarter.
Good thought. They don't really have the personnel to run it down your throat, and even if they did that would take them out of their game.

Doubt it would work well against the Saints though, if we ever get another chance this season.
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The Jets did something similar against the Pats under Mangini.
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Sounds a bit like a defensive version of the Wildcat - the offense doesn't know what players to block because there are so many LBs lined up at the LOS. It's a bit like all the pass rushers the Jets threw at us week 2, which caused a lot of confusion.

Sounds like BB used a variant of it in 2003 against the Bills to, though I don't recall that. It's hard to argue with 6 sacks and 2-12 on 3rd down, even against the Bills.
We used a similar D against San Fran last season if memory serves. I believe that was 1 DL.

I'm surprised BB hasn't brought it out against a better passing team - maybe that's a telling fact, in spite of the success it had yesterday. Still, it'd be great to see it implemented come January. It's been a while since Manning has had to face any pressure behind that O-Line...

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That's the term Adalius Thomas used to describe the 0-5-6 defense which the Pats used at times against Buffalo yesterday.

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Sounds a bit like a defensive version of the Wildcat - the offense doesn't know what players to block because there are so many LBs lined up at the LOS. It's a bit like all the pass rushers the Jets threw at us week 2, which caused a lot of confusion.

Sounds like BB used a variant of it in 2003 against the Bills to, though I don't recall that. It's hard to argue with 6 sacks and 2-12 on 3rd down, even against the Bills.
Remember the game against Bledsoe? All the LBs walking around pre snap confused the hell out of The Statue. That was the debut. Belichick referred to using the 'organized chaos' scheme in that earlier Bills game in his post game press conf yesterday.
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You know, this is a formation that will work great against the Colts. Against the Colts, the bigmen hurt you more than help you when Manning goes into his quick stuff. Play 0-5-6 and lets see what he will do in the fourth quarter.
manning will figure out what to do in 2 seconds. there is a reason BB pulls this out in certain situations.. slight difference between fitzpatrick and manning.
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