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I keep reading across the nation and on here that your defense sucks. That you should have kept Seymour, Vrabel, etc. That this is the worst Pats team of the decade. etc.
I think you guys are overreacting based on one game against a great team, and not acknowledging the fact that the Saints are quite possibly the most balanced offense you faced this decade, and that they are a talented team with a great coaching staff. For example, the Saints have a power running game that the Colts never have had. And the Greatest Show on Turf didn't have the power running game the Saints have either.
That's something that hasn't been acknowledged. The Pats are able to play solely the pass against the Colts and the Greatest Show on Turf. A team that runs and passes very well is harder to defend. Once Pierre Thomas broke that long run due to Carl Nicks overpowering Wilfork, the floodgates opened bc the Pats had to worry about two dimensions.
So I have my doubts that even the Pats defense of 5 years ago would have held the Saints under 28 points. Look at what they have done in all of their home games this year, they've basically went right through every defense they faced besides Rex Ryan's blitzes.
As for your offense. We'll see if teams are smart enough to duplicate Gregg Williams' plan. It took 11 games before a coordinator was smart enough to come up with such a scheme. Based on watching coordinators across the league come up with lame schemes against the Colts and Pats every week, I have my doubts that other teams will be smart enough to do what Williams did.
I'm just pretty familiar with the Colts, Saints, and Pats; so felt I could give some perspective. I live in NO, so I've seen every Saints game. I have taped and rewatched both your games against the Colts and the Saints. So I think I'm pretty familiar with your personnel.
I still think the Pats have a solid young defense. Your DL is set if you keep Wilfork. Your CBs are adequate IMO if you re-sign Bodden. IMO Guyton is the definition of mediocrity and needs to be replaced. He's a JAG. If you add an ILB and OLB in the draft, you'll be set. If I'm BB, I find a way to make some trades and come out of the draft with a combination like Brandon Spikes at ILB and Eric Norwood at OLB. Norwood in particular would be a great pick.
I guess my point is, you won't face an offense like the Saints in the AFC. Or the Vikings, for that matter. The Chargers are the closest, but as good as Rivers is, he's not Brees. And the Chargers haven't shown they can run the ball as well as the Saints or Vikes.
Last edited by coltsfan; 12-04-2009 at 04:09 PM..
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Take away the Colts & Saints games, and the D has been very good. Those 2 games have tarnished the D in a lot of people's eyes. They're still one of the best scoring D's in the league though, even with those 2 games factored in. I just hope that once the playoffs roll around, they'll be able to hold the better offenses under control.
the saints game didnt make feelgood about the D but seeing broken coverages and shoddy tackling it was hard to judge how bad they were. if the saints and driven 70-80 yards everytime converting a few 3rd downs in 8-9 plays would that reflected a worse image of the D ? Heck 2 TD's came on the first play i think on 1 blown coverage and 1 unbelievable throw. If they fix their communication and are disciplined and above all TACKLE , they can hang on for some.
alternatively they need a big time pass rush which i dont see happening with this team unless bb decides to think of soemthing diff like letting AD play exclusively as a passrusher on 3 downs.
Saints have a decent shot of going 19-0. I have no problem getting lit up by that offense. The Colts and Vikings would get shredded by that team in that dome. Pats talent on defense is much better than last year's unit. However, the playcalling is too passive to be able to unveil the talent that exists.
Thanks, coltsfan, although it is something of a sad statement on the fandom when a fan of a rival team feels the need to stage an intervention based on the overwhelming negativity of the fans here.
In my humble opinion, the team has talent but it came out flat after the loss to the Colts and the win over the Jets, two teams the Pats view as huge rivals. If the Pats stepped out on the field against the Colts offense in that mindset, I expect the Colts would have layed a smackdown on the Pats in Indy. As the 75 yard TD was the equivalent of the defense letting Reggie Wayne run unchecked through the secondary, I am more inclined to call it playing without intensity or emotion. Add to that drops and missed blocks and I just get the sense the Pats were not up for that game. Going 1/2 speed against the Saints will get you killed, and that is exactly how that game played out.
The Saints are a great team this year, but not an unstoppable one. I wish Indy had them on the schedule as I would love to see how that game turns out - I suspect Indy can beat them. If Dallas plays well on offense and avoids its characteristics blunders on defense, it may be able to take down the Saints. With as bad as the Pats played, and I cannot attribute that to the Saints defense rather than implosion, it is hard to assess how good the Saints really are.
What that game did make me realize is how much I am looking forward to the playoffs, both AFC and NFC, as it appears for the first time in a long time you may have a playoff field with all teams capable of running the table. Hopefully, teams get healthy and make every game a game to watch.
To date, the Saints are the best in the NFL this year. And the Pats D has limitations, especially in the red zone and rushing the passer. But the meltdown on Mon. night with the blown coverages and shoddy tackling is uncharacteristic and made the Saints look better than they are. The Pats defense isnot that bad, and that is why it was so frustrating to see them take a night off on MNF against the best team in the NFL. I hope we play them again.