Patriots ranking top 6 in Three and Outs both ways - New England Patriots Forums

***PATRIOTSFANINPA*** · 11-07-2009, 03:11 PM

Stats that show that a team is faring pretty well in game plans if you are top 10 or better in both three-and-out conversions both ways,which the Patriots happen to be....

Its also pretty remarkable to note that the top ten in both these catagories belong to only the Patriots and the Giants,there are no other teams that rank high in both catagories except these two teams - makes you wonder what is wrong with the Giants when they sure look good on paper but yet lose 3 in a row.

Texans' D league's best at three-and-outs - AFC South - ESPN

Fencer · 11-07-2009, 03:24 PM

A team that changes its game plan every drive could be boom-or-bust.

That's not exactly bend-don't-break, of course.

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? · 11-07-2009, 04:35 PM

It sounds great right now, but Houston and New England are going to get their test when they face the Colts.

HarkDawg · 11-07-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

It sounds great right now, but Houston and New England are going to get their test when they face the Colts.

I would rephrase that:

The Colts are going to get their test when they face New England and Houston.

mystrymaster · 11-07-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HarkDawg

I would rephrase that:

The Colts are going to get their test when they face New England and Houston.

Yeah cause the colts aren't going to be a challenge for either Houston or New England

***JSn*** · 11-07-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mystrymaster

Yeah cause the colts aren't going to be a challenge for either Houston or New England

I think he's saying the Colts have barely been tested yet.

Satchboogie3 · 11-07-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mystrymaster

Yeah cause the colts aren't going to be a challenge for either Houston or New England

New England has played some tough games against good offenses and defenses, the Colts have not. They have feasted on terrible teams. They barely won against 3 bad teams (MIA, JAX, SaF, combined 9-12), dominated a decent team (Arizona, although they looked awful last week), and dominated 3 terrible teams (SEA,TEN,STL). Their strength of schedule so far is 17-33 (0.34%).
They have averaged 28.1 PPG and 403.6 YPG against defenses averaging 24.2 PPG (surrendered) and 350 YPG (surrendered). That is +3.9 PPG (relative) and +53.6 YPG (relative).
On defense, they have averaged giving up a 13 PPG and 292.1 YPG. Their opponents averaged 19 PPG and 312 YPG. That is -6 PPG (relative) and -19.9 YPG (relative).
Of the teams faced, not a single one was a top 10 defense or offense.

That means they have been average offensively (relative to teams faced) and above average defensively.

As for the Pats, we have faced great teams, along with 2 terrible teams, but our strength of schedule has been more difficult (22-29, .43%). They faced 2 undefeated teams that were hot (Balt, Broncos). They faced 1 top ten offense and 2 top ten defenses.

The Pats averaged 28.3 PPG and 406 PPG against defenses averaging 21.7 PPG (surrendered) and 339.4 YPG (Surrendered). That is +6.6 PPG (relative) and +67 YPG (relative).
The Pats defense averaged 14 PPG (surrendered) and 285.7 YPG (surrendered). Their opponents averaged 20 PPG and 324.4 YPG. That is -6 PPG (relative) and -38.7 YPG (relative).

Stacked up:
Offense:
Colts: +3.9 PPG, +53.6 YPG
Pats: +6.6 PPG, +67 YPG
Defense:
Colts -6 PPG, -19.9 PPG
Pats: -6 PPG, -38.7 YPG.

Pats have performed better offensively and just as good (if not better) defensively. We faced tougher teams and bigger games (undefeated vs good teams, Jets, etc) with a QB who was coming back from a year long injury, a supposed "lack of a running game", and a new defense. We lost 2 games against tough opponents, with Brady's rust playing a major role. Our Py-thag W/L projection is almost identical to IND (5.9-1.1 vs IND 6-1). Difference in record? Tougher teams/circumstances.

It's going to be a challenge for both teams, but NE has already been challenged by good/great teams and tough situations (Jets, Ravens, Broncos). The Colt's toughest challenge was a 1-1 Arizona team that is a good, but not great.

Also, just to throw this in here, I compared our relative rushing attack and for a team that isn't committed to the run (or really designed for it), we have averaged 4.1 YPC and 115 YPG to teams giving up 4.2 YPC and 121.7 YPG. A -0.1 YPC and -6.7 YPG (relative) in the running game doesn't concern me one bit.

Patspsycho · 11-08-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Satchboogie3

New England has played some tough games against good offenses and defenses, the Colts have not. They have feasted on terrible teams. They barely won against 3 bad teams (MIA, JAX, SaF, combined 9-12), dominated a decent team (Arizona, although they looked awful last week), and dominated 3 terrible teams (SEA,TEN,STL). Their strength of schedule so far is 17-33 (0.34%).
They have averaged 28.1 PPG and 403.6 YPG against defenses averaging 24.2 PPG (surrendered) and 350 YPG (surrendered). That is +3.9 PPG (relative) and +53.6 YPG (relative).
On defense, they have averaged giving up a 13 PPG and 292.1 YPG. Their opponents averaged 19 PPG and 312 YPG. That is -6 PPG (relative) and -19.9 YPG (relative).
Of the teams faced, not a single one was a top 10 defense or offense.

That means they have been average offensively (relative to teams faced) and above average defensively.

As for the Pats, we have faced great teams, along with 2 terrible teams, but our strength of schedule has been more difficult (22-29, .43%). They faced 2 undefeated teams that were hot (Balt, Broncos). They faced 1 top ten offense and 2 top ten defenses.

The Pats averaged 28.3 PPG and 406 PPG against defenses averaging 21.7 PPG (surrendered) and 339.4 YPG (Surrendered). That is +6.6 PPG (relative) and +67 YPG (relative).
The Pats defense averaged 14 PPG (surrendered) and 285.7 YPG (surrendered). Their opponents averaged 20 PPG and 324.4 YPG. That is -6 PPG (relative) and -38.7 YPG (relative).

Stacked up:
Offense:
Colts: +3.9 PPG, +53.6 YPG
Pats: +6.6 PPG, +67 YPG
Defense:
Colts -6 PPG, -19.9 PPG
Pats: -6 PPG, -38.7 YPG.

Pats have performed better offensively and just as good (if not better) defensively. We faced tougher teams and bigger games (undefeated vs good teams, Jets, etc) with a QB who was coming back from a year long injury, a supposed "lack of a running game", and a new defense. We lost 2 games against tough opponents, with Brady's rust playing a major role. Our Py-thag W/L projection is almost identical to IND (5.9-1.1 vs IND 6-1). Difference in record? Tougher teams/circumstances.

It's going to be a challenge for both teams, but NE has already been challenged by good/great teams and tough situations (Jets, Ravens, Broncos). The Colt's toughest challenge was a 1-1 Arizona team that is a good, but not great, team.

Also, just to throw this in here, I compared our relative rushing attack and for a team that isn't committed to the run (or really designed for it), we have averaged 4.1 YPC and 115 YPG to teams giving up 4.2 YPC and 121.7 YPG. A -0.1 YPC and -6.7 YPG (relative) in the running game doesn't concern me one bit.

This is a good breakdown.