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glm · 10-24-2009, 12:42 AM

For Team Efficiency, we're ranked 4th.

Offense Efficiency - 3rd.

Defense - 15th.

Tom Brady - 2nd.

Randy Moss - 5th.

Wes Welker - 16th.

Ben Watson - 8th.

Note: All of our RB are in the 10 - 49 rushes category.

So, in that category:

Fred Taylor - 3rd.

Laurence Maroney - 5th.

Sammy Morris - 14th.

Kevin Faulk - 18th.

RB Receiving:

Sammy Morris - 4th.

Kevin Faulk - 6th.

Defensive Line:

Run - 26th.

Pass - 16th.

Offensive Line:

Run - 7th.

Pass - 5th.

theglorydays · 10-24-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by glm

For Team Efficiency, we're ranked 4th.

Offense Efficiency - 3rd.

Defense - 15th.

Tom Brady - 2nd.

Randy Moss - 5th.

Wes Welker - 16th.

Ben Watson - 8th.

Note: All of our RB are in the 10 - 49 rushes category.

So, in that category:

Fred Taylor - 3rd.

Laurence Maroney - 5th.

Sammy Morris - 14th.

Kevin Faulk - 18th.

RB Receiving:

Sammy Morris - 4th.

Kevin Faulk - 6th.

Defensive Line:

Run - 26th.

Pass - 16th.

Offensive Line:

Run - 7th.

Pass - 5th.

That 59-0 pounding you guys put on Tennessee kinda skews these statistics, wouldn't you agree?

***BelichickFan*** · 10-24-2009, 12:51 AM

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That 59-0 pounding you guys put on Tennessee kinda skews these statistics, wouldn't you agree?

We still did it. Or maybe we should only count the stats for the other games we played when every team we played was undefeated at the time.

And don't forget how much worse last week could have been if Brady hadn't been taken out in the third quarter.

theglorydays · 10-24-2009, 12:56 AM

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We still did it. Or maybe we should only count the stats for the other games we played when every team we played was undefeated at the time.

And don't forget how much worse last week could have been if Brady hadn't been taken out in the third quarter.

I'm not saying it shouldn't count, but it isn't a true reflection of the Patriots play this year. If i'm not mistaken, the Pats haven't scored more then 27 points in a game this year. Brady has been average all year.

I think you guys have a very good team, one that could easily make a run to the superbowl. But to not take into consideration last weeks games effect on these stats isn't smart.

Brady had 6 td and 2 ints coming into Tennesse. You guys were 3-2. He didn't play well in the Broncos game and that resulted in a loss. He didn't play well in the Jets game and that resulted in a loss.

But, he throws for 6tds against Tennesse and he is the second ranked quarterback?

***BradyFTW!*** · 10-24-2009, 01:29 AM

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I'm not saying it shouldn't count, but it isn't a true reflection of the Patriots play this year. If i'm not mistaken, the Pats haven't scored more then 27 points in a game this year. Brady has been average all year.

Umm... I guess you missed last week?

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I think you guys have a very good team, one that could easily make a run to the superbowl. But to not take into consideration last weeks games effect on these stats isn't smart.

Any ranking that you take midway through the season (or even after the season, for that matter) is going to be skewed by strength of schedule. The Pats have played one terrible team, one kind sucky team, and 4 good teams. Throwing out every result where you have a good game against a bad team is fine, but you'd have to do the same for every team.

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Brady had 6 td and 2 ints coming into Tennesse. You guys were 3-2. He didn't play well in the Broncos game and that resulted in a loss. He didn't play well in the Jets game and that resulted in a loss.

But, he throws for 6tds against Tennesse and he is the second ranked quarterback?

Hard to say where Brady is in terms of coming back from the injury. If he turned the corner last week (week 6 was around when Manning turned the corner last year, remember) then that #2 is looking pretty reasonable. If he hasn't yet, then it isn't. Either way, we'll know more on Sunday.

theglorydays · 10-24-2009, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

Umm... I guess you missed last week?

Any ranking that you take midway through the season (or even after the season, for that matter) is going to be skewed by strength of schedule. The Pats have played one terrible team, one kind sucky team, and 4 good teams. Throwing out every result where you have a good game against a bad team is fine, but you'd have to do the same for every team.

Hard to say where Brady is in terms of coming back from the injury. If he turned the corner last week (week 6 was around when Manning turned the corner last year, remember) then that #2 is looking pretty reasonable. If he hasn't yet, then it isn't. Either way, we'll know more on Sunday.

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Originally Posted by theglorydays

That 59-0 pounding you guys put on Tennessee kinda skews these statistics, wouldn't you agree?

I think i already acknowledge last week in my original post...

And I'm pretty sure the Titans had 4 healthy defensive backs on the roster.

The #2 ranking for Brady is not reflective of his play this year.

If Brady puts together another good game (which he should, the Bucs are one of the worst defenses in football) then i would agree that he may have turned the corner.

***Patjew*** · 10-24-2009, 01:51 AM

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If Brady puts together another good game (which he should, the Bucs are one of the worst defenses in football) then i would agree that he may have turned the corner.

Your agreement will certainly be a relief to us.

***jmt57*** · 10-24-2009, 01:56 AM

I'll agree that it would be nice to see more consistency in the passing game.

But if you're going to throw out a player's best game when you look at statistics, then shouldn't you also throw out his worst game, if you're trying to be objective?

theglorydays · 10-24-2009, 01:57 AM

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Your agreement will certainly be a relief to us.

Do you think has currently performed as the second best quarterback in the league? What about your offense, do you think it has been the 3rd best in football?

***Patjew*** · 10-24-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jmt57

I'll agree that it would be nice to see more consistency in the passing game.

But if you're going to throw out a player's best game when you look at statistics, then shouldn't you also throw out his worst game, if you're trying to be objective?

Not if you're an opposing fan.