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Old 12-28-2005, 06:54 PM   #1
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Heading into the playoffs, which areas are of no concern, which are potentially troublesome?
Or, put another way, if we lose in the playoffs which areas are likely to cause the problems?

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No concern
QB- This is an advantage in a big game for us, no matter who the opponent.
Run D- Has developed into the best in the NFL
Sprecial teams- More likely to be a plus than a problem
WR/TE- We wont lose because they cannot get open or they drop passes
Pass rush- A weakness early in the year, I think the LBs and the schemes plus Seymour will make this a plus, or at least not a liabilitiy
Coaching- It means more in the playoffs, and we have the best


Concerns
Secondary- While it has played better, there is still the worry that they are susceptible
OLine- Injuries would hurt. They must forge a running game for us. Ive seen too many times of struggle in the run game to not be a bit concerned they could play poorly vs a tough front 7

IMO, we will not lose to anyones running game. We will not lose due to Brady, his weapons or being outcoached.
The biggest combination to worry about is a physical front 7 that stuffs our run, and an offense that will protect the QB and expose our secondary. I think the secondary won't be exposed unless we cannot generate pressure, need to blitz a lot, and it gets picked up.

Looking at the playoffs teams, I see some that could pose some problems and none that have all of what it takes to make all of the concerns an issue.

Pittsburgh- If they cannot run, they cannot win, and they will not run on us.
Jax- Do have the run D, but cannot throw effectively enough to outduel Brady if necessary.
Denver- We can be effective at all phases vs their D, although it is pretty good. If we stop the run, Jake Plummer will not beat us.
Cincy- Their passing game is good, but our run D and pass rush will make it tougher for them to throw well. Their defense needs turnovers. They won't get them vs Brady, and we will probably score more points vs them than any playoff team.
Indy- First, you have to convince me Manning can play well against us in a playoff game. To date he has been the worst player on the field in those games. Since it will be in Indy, I don't think their D has much chance against our O. The combination of a physical running game, and our receivers on turf vs their secondary makes the biggest mismatch of the day their D trying to stop our O.

Interstingly, if you break down those opponents, we win because of our offense vs Indy and Cincy, and because of our defense vs Pitt and Jax, and as a team vs Denver.

This team has shown one flaw the 03/04 Champs never did: The ability to get behind, lose control of the game and just play poorly. I dont see that happening against any of these teams. It may, but if it doesnt, we are SB bound.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:51 PM   #2
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Yes, the secondary is a concern and the run D may not be as effective
when PATs play teams with the follow characteristics.

1. They can protect the QB very well.
2. They have a decent Run Offense
3. They have a decent Pass Offense.

The reasons are

1. If the QB has time the secondary is not good enough to cover for long.

2. If the Pats try schemes to help the secondary the PATs Run D will
not be as effective and the opponent will run alot.

There are three teams that have these Characteristics.

Colts, Bengals and Broncos

Allowed Sacks gives an indication of overall allowed pressure on the QB
The least allowed sacks in the NFL (1#, #2, and #3) are
Colts = #1, Bengals=#2 and Denver=#3
In otherwords PATs may face the toughest teams to get pressure on the QB.

If PATs try to scheme to help the secondary all three teams have good
enough run offenses to take advantage of that Ploy.

Colts and Bengals scoring 20+ points on the PATs should not be a surprise.

Broncos passing attack is not as good, so PATs secondary may not need
help - they better not because Broncos Run Offense is 2nd best in the
league.
If Pats secondary doesn't need help then Bronos could have a hard time
reaching 20.

PATs getting 21+ poinst against the Broncos is very possible but PATs
run game is going to have to be good enough to keep Broncos from giving
help to their secondary and PATs Oline needs to protect Brady this time around.

PATs Offense aganist Colts and Bengals needs to generate at least 24
points is my guess. Aganist the Bengals I see that as very possible as
Bengals D is the weaker of the three teams.

But against the Colts, if Colts D is healthy, for PATs to score 24+ points may be hard unless Pats run Offense can gets going. Also Tommy could have
one of his best games.

If Pats lose my guess it will be against the Colts and PATs' score will be
24 points or less.

I wish I could see PATs shutting Colts Offense down this year like last but
if that is to happen the secondary is going to have to stay healthy and play together at least 2 more games. Then they will have to play the best
game of the year against the Colts. I just don't think there is enough time
but maybe???

Of course Colts injuries may start to be a factor like Harrisons hand not healing fast enough for him to be 100%.
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Pretty good analysis, IMO. The key to any of these games appears to be shutting down the run with the front 7. Also, Bruschi has to be back for the second round. We can probably get thru JAX without him, if we have to, but beyond that, I'm not so sure. We need the Navigator, as Sey says. If we don't have to put 8 in the box, and Asante comes back O.K., I think the secondary is going to be a pleasant surprise.
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I was very fearful of playing denver in Denver until I started to analyze denver as it now is constructed.

Denver must run to win.
Snake will make mistakes if he is forced to pass.
Shanahan has shackled Snake into a throw only when absolutely necessary
The Denver defense's strong point is run defense.
The Denver weakness is pass defense in the secondary.
Denver's LBs are fast.

When they beat us we couldn't stop the run.
Snake was never forced to throw.
Brady scored on Denver with a passing only offense
We had no healthy RBs; we tried but couldn't run wide.

NONE of those condition now apply.

I'm sanguine that the results would be different.
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I think if I were the OC of either the Bronco's or Colts after watching film of the last 5 or 6 Pats games, I'd try passing more on 1st down and do it primarily on Samuel and Hawkins side of the field. Do it until it got stopped.
Rather than try to run to set up the pass, I'd pass to set up the run. The Pats usually blitz on 2nd and 3rd and on obvious pass downs. Not always, but usually. And I'd keep passing on 1st down and pass more than run until the Pats stopped it either because Samuel and Hawkins were able to do that or the Pats started playing the pass more, teamwise. If a team comes out running and keep getting stuck in 2nd or 3rd and long, it gives the Pats what they want.
The Pats usually handle the Steelers because the Steelers never change what they want to do. They try to out physical you at the LOS and run it down your throat. Any team that does the best when it's QB throws the least, wants to run. The Pats are usually able to do that and make Rothleshamburger throw and he'll make mistakes when it's put on his shoulders.
The other possible AFC opponents I'm not too worried about and if teh Pats can't beat them they don't deserve to face anyone else anyway.
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I think if I were the OC of either the Bronco's or Colts after watching film of the last 5 or 6 Pats games, I'd try passing more on 1st down and do it primarily on Samuel and Hawkins side of the field. Do it until it got stopped.
Rather than try to run to set up the pass, I'd pass to set up the run. The Pats usually blitz on 2nd and 3rd and on obvious pass downs. Not always, but usually. And I'd keep passing on 1st down and pass more than run until the Pats stopped it either because Samuel and Hawkins were able to do that or the Pats started playing the pass more, teamwise. If a team comes out running and keep getting stuck in 2nd or 3rd and long, it gives the Pats what they want.
The Pats usually handle the Steelers because the Steelers never change what they want to do. They try to out physical you at the LOS and run it down your throat. Any team that does the best when it's QB throws the least, wants to run. The Pats are usually able to do that and make Rothleshamburger throw and he'll make mistakes when it's put on his shoulders.
The other possible AFC opponents I'm not too worried about and if teh Pats can't beat them they don't deserve to face anyone else anyway.

Ooops. I forgot the Bengals. And if I were them, I'd do the same as the Colts and Bronco's. I'm not saying they'd win, or even who'd win those games. Just what I'd do if I were the OC of 1 of those teams. Would the front 7 be able to get enough rush to disrupt it if it were 3 step drops and extra gusy held in to block? The Pats face teams with good pass rushes and we expect them to come up with something to give Brady time to throw. Other teams can do that, too. They should be able to anyway.

I also don't think this week's Dolphins game is going to be any cakewalk and that the Dolphins will come to play. They are on a bit of a roll and everything I read from them is that they want to go out on a roll for momemtum to start next year. Some may think they have nothing to play for. Winning is always worth playing for and they do have some good players.
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Pittsburgh- If they cannot run, they cannot win, and they will not run on us.
Jax- Do have the run D, but cannot throw effectively enough to outduel Brady if necessary.
Denver- We can be effective at all phases vs their D, although it is pretty good. If we stop the run, Jake Plummer will not beat us.
Cincy- Their passing game is good, but our run D and pass rush will make it tougher for them to throw well. Their defense needs turnovers. They won't get them vs Brady, and we will probably score more points vs them than any playoff team.
Indy- First, you have to convince me Manning can play well against us in a playoff game. To date he has been the worst player on the field in those games. Since it will be in Indy, I don't think their D has much chance against our O. The combination of a physical running game, and our receivers on turf vs their secondary makes the biggest mismatch of the day their D trying to stop our O.

This team has shown one flaw the 03/04 Champs never did: The ability to get behind, lose control of the game and just play poorly. I dont see that happening against any of these teams. It may, but if it doesnt, we are SB bound.
While I always worry about Brady or one of our other irreplaceables, the idea of any team coming out and dominating us for a short period of time and then Pats loosing control of the game is my biggest concern. Earlier in the season this was apparent, however recently we have played much better and is less obvious. However, any one of the five teams mentioned above are potentially explosive, except Jax which I do not know much about, and can put a lot of points on the board and we can come back, but it is much harder to climb out of a hole. My keys for the playoffs is to take control of the game early, dictate the tempo, and win the time of possession, if this happens we can win against any team on any day. Our strength is our versatility and adaptability, look at last years run when we beat Pitt and Indy on consecutive weekends, two completely different game plans for two completely different opponents. I expect the same this year and I expect to go far in the playoffs, our equalizer against any team is our coaching and their ability to identify weaknesses of another team and develop a game plan.
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Not to go slightly off-topic, but I'll answer the subject of the thread as opposed to the individual breakdowns of your post, because this is what it really boils down to for me:

With Bruschi - Cautiously Optimistic
Without Bruschi - Concerned and far less optimistic about our chances for a four game run.

I know you get miffed sometimes when people don't answer the exact question posed in your thread starter, but take that for what it's worth.
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While I always worry about Brady or one of our other concern. thementioned above are potentially explosive, except Jax which I do not know much about, and can put a lot of points on the board and we can come back, but it is much harder to climb out of a hole. playoffs is to time of possession,team on any day. Our strength ladifferent opponents. I expect the playoffs, our equalizer against any team is our coaching and their ability to identify weaknesses of another team and develop a game plan.
I watch a lot of Jax games down here in Orlando....Jax is not a complicated offense mainly due to Gerrard being a sub/1st time player....The guy looks like a RB playing QB...He is solid. Has tools but a complicated D like the Pats will throw him off, possibly badly. That is why I hope the pats stay in the #4 seed and Play Jax in 1st playoff game. The offense has scored over 30 points a game 3 times this season and amazingly, with a decent QB like Leftwich had not done so in something like over 2 years. Leftwich wants to play and is coming off injury (broken Leg bone I believe). He has a good arm but can completely disappear during games for long stretches...another plus for the Pats D.

Overall, I think thier D will keep us from running up the score, but the Jax O will have a hard time moving the ball on us.

As for the rest of the AFC playoff teams....I thought this a month ago, Denver looks like a team that is going to get upset in their divisional game...Cincinnati who can be so good and so bad at times, will have problems with this type of per se team personality in the playoffs.....They could beat Pitt 40-10 or lose by the same score. Indy has a great chance to make it to the AFCCG and the other team may very well be us.
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