Kerry Byrne: Bill Belichick has lost his mojo - Page 5 - New England Patriots Forums

dtbrks · 10-16-2009, 06:55 AM

Yeah.. this is the same coach who was praised left and right for having an 11-5 team last year with a QB who hadn't played since high school.

It all disappeared in less than a year.

BSR · 10-16-2009, 07:41 AM

One can quibble with the stats or finer points of logic in the article but its premise is absolutely valid: The Patriot's pass D has been trending the wrong way over these past 5 years and is responsible for many of the big losses we have had over that time. The primary reason for that has been not having the right players but scheme and coaching also plays into it. It doesn't seem as if the team has been as good at halftime adjustments as they used to be. Now this year there seems to be an improvement in defensive talent, especially in the secondary, but they still seem to be slow to adjust when they are presented with something new (Like McDaniels running the "wild horses" simply to have the defense audible into a base defense or last year with the wildcat in the miami game). People used to say that a Belichick defense was confusing and dificult to play against because the QB had a hard time identifying where the rush was coming from, but I haven't heard that in a long time.

tedy hagler · 10-16-2009, 07:43 AM

I know 2007 has some good spots, as does this team. But here is one for 2009: teams have a 41.38% success rate on 3rd down against our defense, which places us on the lower tier sofa with the Rams, Chiefs, Bills, Tampa and Steelers, (and oddly, the Colts).

No one stat rules but I think we all agree this needs to get better. I expect it will as the young D plays together over the season.

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Originally Posted by Brady'sButtBoy

The 2007 numbers are probably a bit askew due to the big leads the Pats often had, they forced teams to plan to throw and thus they likely threw a little better. the offense blew the last SB for the most part. one more field goal in that game and this article is irrelevant, no?

The Pats were second in sacks in 2007, fourth in points allowed, fourth in yds/play allowed, 6th in passing yds/game allowed, 11th in opposing QB rating - clearly a disaster!

2006 featured the leagues 2nd best opposing QB rating at 66.1. Only the vaunted Ravens were better at 63.4. the Pats wre 2nd in points are allowed to that same Ravens D. Clearly another disaster of a year on D.

Sorry, I can't go on with more stats...

However, the author is on to something about BB drafting DB's and pass rushers, as in - BB hasn't drafted ANY of note in years. In fact, he hasn't signed any of note in years either. Meriweather is looking good but it's his 3rd year and he still runs past too many tackles. Um, unless I'm mistaken, that's it in the Pats' DB and pass rushing acquisitions for bona fide success stories , let alone stardom. Sanders? Eh, barely more than JAG. Wilhite? May be not bad but he is far from consistent and certainly not a star. Pass rushers? Zero. You're not going to say Woods, are you? he's invisible, and ironically that's probably why he's still on the team. AD flashes but also completely disappears at times. It's not like killer OLB's or DE's are a dime a dozen but it's been years since we bought or developed one.

***patsfaninpittsburgh*** · 10-16-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SVN

Kerry Byrne | Patriots Failing the Passing Test: Secondary a Primary Concern

Articles like this are a result of the "fantasy football", studio chimp intelligence status of football analysis. Here are the relavent points:

The defense has given up: 17/16/10/14/17 points against 4 of 5 winning teams. By normal definition of pro football, that is excellent. If our offense was operating at normal or relative efficiency, the Pats would be 5-0 with an average margin of victory at a minimum of 20 points.

The Patriots have played 4 winning teams. Where would the defense be if they played the dregs of the NFL like the two goobers?

The Ravens/Broncos/Falcons are a lil different than the Bucs/Chiefs/Raiders.

This boards has clowning over itself with 98 yard drive "analysis". Where is the recognition that they stopped the last drive at the end of the game? It going to be a total shock to some but.. yes defenses will give up some points.

"cold hard football facts" show the vast minority of games are shutouts.

The previous week, BB was a genius for "bracketing" Mason. Just ask Cincy if it was brilliant? Now he sucks because the defense gave up 17 points?

Stop wasting time on these types of articles and devote more effort to why it wasn't expected that the first half would be tough since Brady would be working his way back to form.

robertweathers · 10-16-2009, 08:26 AM

His article is about as logical as saying that BB hasn't won a SB since he got divorced. Yes, he has some good points but it's not like the guy has been Mike Shananhan circa 2008..........C'mon...

***patsfaninpittsburgh*** · 10-16-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by robertweathers

His article is about as logical as saying that BB hasn't won a SB since he got divorced. Yes, he has some good points but it's not like the guy has been Mike Shananhan circa 2008..........C'mon...

It's absolutely amazing that ackbass thinking like this can dupe so many people.

I love the 3rs down crap.

If my oppponent starts 11 drives on their 20 and he gets 1 first down(on third down) before punting; my defense has a 50% efficency. By "cold hard football facts" that's a disaster.

People need to realize that the little stat known as POINTS matter. 3rd down conversion ONLY matters if you are giving up excessive amounts of points.

Perhaps BB needs to start preaching situational football in umbdass.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 10-16-2009, 09:07 AM

Kerry's just another guy trying to earn a football related living sitting behind a keyboard. Everyone here loved him when he focused on how much better Tom was than Peyton... He's a patsfan and that has long been used against him in the court of NFL opinion. So this is an attempt to appeal to the broader audience and prove he's an impartial statistical analyst. Sad thing is all it really proves is he's a sadly typical patsfan driven to vent over this teams lack of consistent domination... I mean there is a still chance we will have only played in slightly less than half the superbowls adjudicated in this decade and only won a third of them. What's up with that?!?!

***patsfaninpittsburgh*** · 10-16-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

Kerry's just another guy trying to earn a football related living sitting behind a keyboard. Everyone here loved him when he focused on how much better Tom was than Peyton... He's a patsfan and that has long been used against him in the court of NFL opinion. So this is an attempt to appeal to the broader audience and prove he's an impartial statistical analyst. Sad thing is all it really proves is he's a sadly typical patsfan driven to vent over this teams lack of consistent domination... I mean there is a still chance we will have only played in slightly less than half the superbowls adjudicated in this decade and only won a third of them. What's up with that?!?!

Mo

"Spawn of the Dumb Girls"?

BSR · 10-16-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfaninpittsburgh

It's absolutely amazing that ackbass thinking like this can dupe so many people.

I love the 3rs down crap.

If my oppponent starts 11 drives on their 20 and he gets 1 first down(on third down) before punting; my defense has a 50% efficency. By "cold hard football facts" that's a disaster.

People need to realize that the little stat known as POINTS matter. 3rd down conversion ONLY matters if you are giving up excessive amounts of points.

Perhaps BB needs to start preaching situational football in umbdass.

I'm pretty sure I've heard BB preach quite a few times about how important it is to get off the field on 3rd down. Third down defense is pretty closely linked to the quality of a defense points wise.

If you want to talk about situational football, you have to see that this defense has been allowing some long drives at inopportune times. Additionally, don't discount the fact that the offense has been good enough to eat up some serious clock time which is limiting the number of opportunities that the opposition has to score and helping the defense out significantly. This defense has only had to face 47 drives against it. That is the lowest number of drives against anyteam that hasn't had a bye. Part of the reason that they are letting up less points is because there have been less opportunities for teams to score against them.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 10-16-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfaninpittsburgh

Mo

"Spawn of the Dumb Girls"?

It is what it is...