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Old 10-12-2009, 03:10 PM   #11
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I say that the afc west and afc south send one team to the playoffs: denver and indy
Not thinking much of SD then? Even if they loose all 5 of the "tough" games I listed (based on current records) that still puts them at 9-7 and in the hunt for the 6th seed based on your projections.
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:12 PM   #12
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I give Denver all the credit in the world for their gutsy win yesterday but I see deja vu in that division,I see a Broncos team falling apart by midseason and the Chargers stealing the division away again. - Denver will win 9 or 10 games at most...yes,even at 5-0 I am saying this.
I think the Broncos need 4 more wins to win the division. I don't see the Chargers going better than 8-8. The Chargers aren't a good team. Their two wins are against the Raiders and the Dolphins and they barely beat the Raiders. I think the Broncos will win the AFC West pretty handily. I expect them to go 6-0 with a win over the Chargers this weekend. And Denver still has Oakland and KC twice, Washington, San Deigo twice, and Philly might not be playing for anything when they meet the second to last game of the season (the Giants could have the division locked up and Philly may have the first Wild Card locked up by then).

Going into this weekend, I thought the Broncos could get 9-10 wins. I have upped it to 10-11, possibly 12.
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:13 PM   #13
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Not thinking much of SD then? Even if they loose all 5 of the "tough" games I listed (based on current records) that still puts them at 9-7 and in the hunt for the 6th seed based on your projections.
I was ready to coronate SD as afc west champs before the seasons started but after seeing them play defense, or not play defense, i dont think they will make the playoffs, not playing good defense allows mediocre teams to beat you in the so called trap games. there are always games you expect a team to win and they end up faltering chargers wont get better than 9-7.
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:15 PM   #14
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Your optimism is great, and I realize this is not going to be too popular of a post. Sorry to those that are offended, but I'm not sure how you could be talking about the playoffs right now, we have a long way to go.

So far here are some positives and negatives:

NEGATIVES

--BB is now 0-2 v. rookie head coaches this yr

--average running game, major injury for biggest piece of O-line (LT), and leading rusher (Taylor)

--absolutely no WR other than Welker. Moss is doubled, and it seems like TB is trying to buy time almost every passing play, looking for Welker. We are using a TE/slot receiver based offense, which means no one goes downfield more than 10-15 yds it seems

--there has been 1 dominant game out of 5, ATL. Every other game has either been a loss, or a dramatic escape. We certainly could've lost to BUF and or BAL, luckily we didn't, but by no means have been anything more than competitive--certainly not dominant at all

--are 0-2 on the road

--On defense, not too much pressure, lots of time for QB to throw. many teams choose to pick us apart w/ underneath routes, since we are taking away the long passes

--that's 2 second half collapses now, both had nice leads going into the half v. NYJ and DEN

--after 1/3 of the season, Randy Moss is tied for the lead in INT w/ 1

--the passing D is on pace for how many TD's this yr? at least 20. A long cry from the Colts great secondary a few yrs ago of giving up 7 or 8 IIRC

--problems with execution and penalties. Off-sides on a game winning, OT, field goal? not usually on our team in the past. may have been the game, who knows?

--offense has given up 2 TD's in 5 games

--special teams problems in many aspects

--2 AFC losses in 5 games, on pace for a 10-6 record, probably not good enough for the playoffs with teams like NYJ, BAL, PIT, CIN, SD, DEN, IND

POSITIVES:

--We have played a difficult schedule, but one that will remain hard if we want to succeed

--We have BB and Brady

--O-line has looked decent, giving up a sack per game

--secondary has looked better than in the recent past

--D has looked good, although 4 of 5 games have been scores of 24,23,21,20, however the offense gave up 2 TD's in that span

--D line has looked ok in replacing Seymour

--team has the ability to compete, pretty much in every game

--team usually gels down the stretch


I agree that this yr's team has playoff potential, but I also agree that there are many holes to fix and patch. There are almost 1/3 of the teams who look better than our team right now. I don't think, I personally will be worried about the playoffs right now, and I bet you'd get a reaction out of BB much like the Jim Mora Sr commercial--but I understand your points too

Sorry to offend the homers, or sound like a chicken little, I am simply trying to say that the playoffs are a long way off---not saying that we are not going, or not expected to go, because I think and hope we will of course

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Not thinking much of SD then? Even if they loose all 5 of the "tough" games I listed (based on current records) that still puts them at 9-7 and in the hunt for the 6th seed based on your projections.
The Chargers haven't looked good in any aspect other than their passing game so far this season. They made the Raiders' offense look somewhat competitent. Teams have been running over them all season. They haven't been able to run the ball even with LT. I am not confident this team can win all the games they are supposed to win.

The Chargers were 9-7 last year. They weren't really impressive either. They are living on reputation. If they were in a more competitive division, I wouldn't give them more than 4-6 wins.
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Your optimism is great, and I realize this is not going to be too popular of a post. Sorry to those that are offended, but I'm not sure how you could be talking about the playoffs right now, we have a long way to go.

So far here are some positives and negatives:

NEGATIVES

--BB is now 0-2 v. rookie head coaches this yr

--average running game, major injury for biggest piece of O-line (LT), and leading rusher (Taylor)

--absolutely no WR other than Welker. Moss is doubled, and it seems like TB is trying to buy time almost every passing play, looking for Welker. We are using a TE/slot receiver based offense, which means no one goes downfield more than 10-15 yds it seems

--there has been 1 dominant game out of 5, ATL. Every other game has either been a loss, or a dramatic escape. We certainly could've lost to BUF and or BAL, luckily we didn't, but by no means have been anything more than competitive--certainly not dominant at all

--should be 0-3 on the road, thank you McKelvin

--On defense, not too much pressure, lots of time for QB to throw. many teams choose to pick us apart w/ underneath routes, since we are taking away the long passes

--that's 2 second half collapses now, both had nice leads going into the half v. NYJ and DEN

--after 1/3 of the season, Randy Moss is tied for the lead in INT w/ 1

--the passing D is on pace for how many TD's this yr? at least 20. A long cry from the Colts great secondary a few yrs ago of giving up 7 or 8 IIRC

--problems with execution and penalties. Off-sides on a game winning, OT, field goal? not usually on our team in the past. may have been the game, who knows?

--offense has given up 2 TD's in 5 games

--special teams problems in many aspects

--2 AFC losses in 5 games, on pace for a 10-6 record, probably not good enough for the playoffs with teams like NYJ, BAL, PIT, CIN, SD, DEN, IND

POSITIVES:

--We have played a difficult schedule, but one that we remain hard if we want to succeed

--We have BB and Brady

--O-line has looked decent, giving up a sack per game

--secondary has looked better than in the recent past

--D has looked good, although 4 of 5 games have been scores of 24,23,21,20, however the offense gave up 2 TD's in that span

--D line has looked ok in replacing Seymour

--team has the ability to compete, pretty much in every game

--team usually gels down the stretch


I agree that this yr's team has playoff potential, but I also agree that there are many holes to fix and patch. There are almost 1/3 of the teams who look better than our team right now. I don't think, I personally will be worried about the playoffs right now, and I bet you'd get a reaction out of BB much like the Jim Mora Sr commercial--but I understand your points too

Sorry to offend the homers, or sound like a chicken little, I am simply trying to say that the playoffs are a long way off---not saying that we are not going, or not expected to go, because I think and hope we will of course
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:23 PM   #17
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Yeah I think we are okay for the playoffs. This year 11-5 will be good enough and I think that's worst case scenario for us.

Baltimore most likely will not finish better than 11-5. San Diego will probably be 10-6 at best. Even if you assume Cincy or Pittsburgh (whoever doesn't win the AFC North) finishes above us, our only competition for the last spot looks like Houston and Jacksonville. Hard to see either of those teams going 11-5.

The win over Baltimore could prove to be huge if it comes down to that later on. Hopefully it doesn't and we run the tables like in '03
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UMMM McKelvin was in FOXBORO when he gave us that gift
Not only that. Even if McKelvin took a knee in the endzone and got the touchback, the Pats still could have stopped the Bills and gotten the ball back in time to win the game. McKelvin fumbled at 2:06 and the Pats had all three of their time outs. That means the clock would stop four times before the end of the game for the Pats to get the ball back and go down the field for a TD. It would have made it far tougher for the Pats to accomplish that feat, but it was far from impossible for the Pats to win if McKelvin didn't fumble the ball.
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UMMM McKelvin was in FOXBORO when he gave us that gift
yeah, really--talk abt a brain fart. sorry all, ill change it

EDIT: sorry abt that, regardless, we're still 0-2 on the road, not much better

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Ahhh. 2007 seems like a long time ago. For Red Sox fans, too.
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