Ravens Week Discussion - Page 11 - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Five Thoughts On Tebow
'13 NFL Previews Are In
Tebow at QB? No Way

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-29-2009, 04:44 PM   #101
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
mayoclinic's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 9,780
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Baltimorefan06 View Post
That mentality comes from Rex Ryan, and it was/is so ingrained in their heads that they'll happily give up 300+ yards passing as long as the run game is shut down.

If we lose, I highly, highly doubt it will be because of our run defense; again, I'm picking the Pats, but New England has a good chance because of Moss/Welker/Brady, not Taylor/Maroney(sp).

Peterson is the only back in the league that I think would have a remote chance of breaking 100 on the Ravens, as well as Johnon/Sproles if they got the ball on their own 20 and broke into the second level.
Every team has strengths and weaknesses. What Belichick is generally unusually good at it finding a way to exploit the other team's capabilities.

No doubt your run D is a strength. I do not believe we have the kind of power running game to just come in and "establish the run" the way the Giants did. If we come in and try to pound the football on first and second down, then we will be facing a lot of third and long situations. I don't see that being very productive for us.

Where we do excel is in TB's ability to take a quick drop and find an open short receiver. Put TB under center with Maroney or Faulk behind him and Welker and Edelman both at WR along with a TE, and Brady will go wild. Take a 3 step drop and hit one of the slot guys, a TE, or a back on a timing route. There won't be enough time to get pressure on Brady, and he's deadly at hooking up with one of his targets in that kind of situation. Get the ball to any of those guys with a yard or two cushion and there's an opportunity to do something with the YAC. Get the Ravens tired of turning around and chasing down the short yardage receiver, and you soften them up so that maybe you can run a bit against them, particular with draws and misdirection plays - not a lot, but some. Add in a vertical passing capability (which we need to establish early to keep the secondary honest and off the LOS) and there's plenty of opportunity to wreck havoc on the very talented Baltimore defense. It won't be easy, and it will take time and patience to wear them down. But we have the personnel to do it.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
"OVER Loading at ANY position can create a Fatal Advantage. THAT is what interests ME. Attacking With Concentrated Force. THAT is what WINS. In the words ~ more or less ~ of General Patton: 'I'm fighting a WAR, here. Let the B*****ES worry about their FLANKS.' " - Off the Grid

"The key to any successful organization is to anticipate things, not react to them." - Michael Lombardi
mayoclinic is offline  
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 09-29-2009, 05:02 PM   #102
Rookie
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 8
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Whats up ya'll just thought I'd chime in.

1. I'm not afraid of New Englands running game. Look over the history of the defense and the one thing that is the common denominator is that the Ravens have a hard time against small speedy backs who can catch the ball on a screen and take advantage of an over-aggressive rush (i.e. Darren Sproles). Fred Taylor happens to be one of my favorite backs but he is a big power back, and unfortunately the Ravens aren't the type of team that you can just hand the ball up the middle 30 times a game and expect to have a lot of success. Most people tend to look at the Giants game last year and say well the teams overrated but it wasn't like the Giants just methodically ran the ball on us all game pushing our linemen off the ball. Yes Ahmad Bradshaw had 96 yards rushing buuuuut 77 of those came on one long run, take that away and you've 22 yards rushing. Jacobs had 73 yards rushing but 36 of those came on one run take that long run away and you've got 37 yards rushing. Ward had 41 yards rushing but 22 of those came on one run take that long run away and you've got 19 yards rushing. Of the Giants 215 yards rushing 135 of those came on 3 plays, take those 3 plays away and you have a whopping 80 yards combined rushing from Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Ward combined. It wasn't as horrible a game as people like to make it
RabbidRvnFan is offline  
Old 09-29-2009, 05:27 PM   #103
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 114
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by RabbidRvnFan View Post
Yes Ahmad Bradshaw had 96 yards rushing buuuuut 77 of those came on one long run, take that away and you've 22 yards rushing. Jacobs had 73 yards rushing but 36 of those came on one run take that long run away and you've got 37 yards rushing. Ward had 41 yards rushing but 22 of those came on one run take that long run away and you've got 19 yards rushing.
You're ruining the credibility of every Baltimore fan by making that post.

The Giants destroyed us, end of story.

If we played the Giants ten times, they probably would have that much success two or three times, but the bottom line is that New York has the backs and offensive line to run right down our throats those three times, whereas 30 other teams, with Minnesota as a possible exception, simply don't have that in their arsenal.

They're probably the only team capable of doing that, but the point remains.

Last edited by Baltimorefan06; 09-29-2009 at 05:34 PM..
Baltimorefan06 is offline  
Old 09-29-2009, 05:33 PM   #104
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 114
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by mayoclinic View Post
Where we do excel is in TB's ability to take a quick drop and find an open short receiver. Put TB under center with Maroney or Faulk behind him and Welker and Edelman both at WR along with a TE, and Brady will go wild. Take a 3 step drop and hit one of the slot guys, a TE, or a back on a timing route. There won't be enough time to get pressure on Brady, and he's deadly at hooking up with one of his targets in that kind of situation. Get the ball to any of those guys with a yard or two cushion and there's an opportunity to do something with the YAC. Get the Ravens tired of turning around and chasing down the short yardage receiver, and you soften them up so that maybe you can run a bit against them, particular with draws and misdirection plays - not a lot, but some. Add in a vertical passing capability (which we need to establish early to keep the secondary honest and off the LOS) and there's plenty of opportunity to wreck havoc on the very talented Baltimore defense. It won't be easy, and it will take time and patience to wear them down. But we have the personnel to do it.
I agree with the run having to be set up through the pass, but honestly, if Welker is back, you could have a nonexistent run game, and I assure you that Moss/Walker could beat us alone.

Huge receivers and elusive players are absolutely deadly against our defense, and if the two can get in a rhythm, then a ground game really won't be necessary.
Baltimorefan06 is offline  
Old 09-29-2009, 05:55 PM   #105
Rookie
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 8
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Baltimorefan06 View Post
You're ruining the credibility of every Baltimore fan by making that post.

The Giants destroyed us, end of story.

If we played the Giants ten times, they probably would have that much success two or three times, but the bottom line is that New York has the backs and offensive line to run right down our throats those three times, whereas 30 other teams, with Minnesota as a possible exception, simply don't have that in their arsenal.

They're probably the only team capable of doing that, but the point remains.
Don't get me wrong I'll admit that was a bad game but in terms of how we were "gashed" for all those yards and how the Giants just supposedly destroyed us I just don't see it, and I don't believe that the Giants would be able to do that again. Like you said in one of your post Rex loved/loves to blitz which can be a disadvantage when you have people over-pursuing the play and allowing the runningback to break one tackle and be of to the races. You can't overlook the 3 HUGE runs they had and how they may well have been caused by and over-aggressive defense. I'll concede that a team dominates us in the run when they methodically run the ball and average 5-6 yards a carry, their line consistently pushes us off the ball and the rb's break lots of tackles. That simply didn't happen in the Giants game, Bradshaw only had 9 rushing attempts, Jacobs had 11, and Ward had 11 3 big runs prod. 130 yards that can't be overlooked when considering the rushing yards giving up.

As far as the secondary goes the one thing that concerns me is Moss and Welker. Welker for the obvious reasons of him being able to get open ALL THE FREAKING TIME and Moss with his size and speed. But I have to say that I'm not as worried about Moss as I was about a Vincent Jackson because while Moss and Jackson are about the same size height wise Jackson is thicker and way more physical. Galloway doesn't seem to be making the types of plays NE's been looking for but his speed is still a legit threat.

Last edited by RabbidRvnFan; 09-29-2009 at 06:09 PM..
RabbidRvnFan is offline  
Old 09-29-2009, 05:59 PM   #106
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
Patspsycho's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: 20 minutes from Foxboro
Posts: 9,930
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by RabbidRvnFan View Post
Whats up ya'll just thought I'd chime in.

1. I'm not afraid of New Englands running game. Look over the history of the defense and the one thing that is the common denominator is that the Ravens have a hard time against small speedy backs who can catch the ball on a screen and take advantage of an over-aggressive rush (i.e. Darren Sproles). Fred Taylor happens to be one of my favorite backs but he is a big power back, and unfortunately the Ravens aren't the type of team that you can just hand the ball up the middle 30 times a game and expect to have a lot of success.
You're forgetting Faulk, who is very shifty and can catch out of the backfield or in a screen.
Patspsycho is offline  
Old 09-29-2009, 06:15 PM   #107
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 114
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by RabbidRvnFan View Post
I'll concede that a team dominates us in the run when they methodically run the ball and average 5-6 yards a carry, their line consistently pushes us off the ball and the rb's break lots of tackles.
But knowing that we over-pursue, are blitz happy, and have a great front seven, why would a team formulate a gameplan in which they went straight at us and tried to run down our throats?

The Giants didn't just break off one big run, they had three, and that is no accident.
Baltimorefan06 is offline  
Old 09-29-2009, 06:15 PM   #108
Rookie
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 8
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patspsycho View Post
You're forgetting Faulk, who is very shifty and can catch out of the backfield or in a screen.
I was just thinking about him and forget to mention him, watching Patriots games he seems to always be the guy thats heavily involved in game-winning drives. Constant dump offs and him just gaining 5-7 yds is a huge advantage. But even in the 2007 game against us he only had 2 catches for 18 yards. I think we can stop him because we aren't as aggressive as last year and seemed to be more disciplined.
RabbidRvnFan is offline  
Old 09-29-2009, 06:17 PM   #109
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 114
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by RabbidRvnFan View Post
I think we can stop him because we aren't as aggressive as last year and seemed to be more disciplined.
But because we aren't as aggressive, QBs have had a lot more time, which has resulted in our secondary being shredded.

Again, I highly doubt the Patriots run on us, but I do think that they'll win through the air.
Baltimorefan06 is offline  
Old 09-29-2009, 06:20 PM   #110
Rookie
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 8
Default Re: Ravens week discussion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Baltimorefan06 View Post
But knowing that we over-pursue, are blitz happy, and have a great front seven, why would a team formulate a gameplan in which they went straight at us and tried to run down our throats?

The Giants didn't just break off one big run, they had three, and that is no accident.
Ok then chalk it up to great gameplanning and strategy but to make it seem as if they mauled us and their line just dominated ours all game in a bloody trench match (i.e. a typical steelers game) is inaccurate.
RabbidRvnFan is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SNF Redskins @ Ravens Discussion AFPatsFan12 NFL Football Forum 26 12-07-2008 10:23 PM
Week 14 1 PM games discussion thread ctpatsfan77 NFL Football Forum 197 12-09-2007 03:18 PM
Week 13 early games discussion thread ctpatsfan77 NFL Football Forum 212 12-02-2007 06:17 PM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC