Rumor: Seymour Trade Not A Done Deal? - Page 5 - New England Patriots Forums

***DaBruinz*** · 09-07-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

Man, you really hate it when I beat you to the punch, don't you? Try thinking back to prior transactions like Plummer and Owens. Until Seymour actually steps foot in Oaklands' facility, he's still the Pats problem. Players usually accept the trades because they want to get paid. Plummer decided to retire so the Bucs and Broncos worked out something else. Owens flat out refused to play for the Ravens so they were forced to trade him elsewhere and the 9ers received less compensation for him. If Seymour continues to put his foot down, the trade will either be rescinded or the Pats will get less than a 1st round pick for him.

Actually, the Plummer and Owens situations were different. But, you keep thinking otherwise.

Seymour's rights were traded to Oakland. They now hold his rights. If he doesn't go, then he doesn't play and he forfeits his salary and still owes them a year...

As for Plummer, TB still owned his rights after the deal. And Plummer stayed retired.

Much of the Problem with Owens was his understanding that he was a free agent..

Terrell Owens - Free Agent, Baltimore Raven or Philadelphia Eagle?

The situation with Owens was significantly more complex than just a simple "Owens refused to go to the Ravens."

Lamanai · 09-07-2009, 04:11 PM

Hypothetical Question:

If Seymour does not report and gets put on a DNR list of some sort, he loses his salary until next year (if he reports then). However, does the $6.0million amortization also get carried over into next year? This would be significant, as the Pats would have an immediate bump up in this year's available cap of $6.0million that could be used to extend our own pending FAs. The $6.0million would go into the uncapped year.

I'n no capologist, and I am CBA-reading challenged...so forgive me if this is not reasonable.

***BelichickFan*** · 09-07-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mack Herron

If Seymour sits I doubt we get a #1. Until he reports, we have gotten nothing for the loss of his services.

He will play for us or the team he's traded to. Otherwise he gets no salary and no FA next year and that's not an option he'll choose.

RhodyPatriot · 09-07-2009, 04:21 PM

The only way this trade doesn't go through is if Seymour was to flunk his physical with the Raiders and that's not happening because this is a contract year and the Big Overrated is always healthy and ready to go when the new money is there to play for. The Big Overrated can hold out as long as he wants. That would be the Raiders problem and it would be up to them to suspend him for the season without pay.

***DaBruinz*** · 09-07-2009, 04:25 PM

If Seymour were to hold out, then Seymour would not get paid this season. He also would not get credit for this season and would owe the Raiders a season of play as well.

italia44 · 09-07-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RhodyPatriot

The only way this trade doesn't go through is if Seymour was to flunk his physical with the Raiders and that's not happening because this is a contract year and the Big Overrated is always healthy and ready to go when the new money is there to play for. The Big Overrated can hold out as long as he wants. That would be the Raiders problem and it would be up to them to suspend him for the season without pay.

uh,uh.......Seymour could simply not report to Oakland,at all.
In that case,the raiders are out of the equation,and it becomes a Patriot problem,as the deal would become null and void,until either reported or retired.

And BTW......anybody who thinks it's impossible that Seymour would refuse to report and retired is missing on his history.

Big family man,who lives here,murdered parents and he has kind of a childish,petulant side to him.
So,IMHO,it's not impossible.

flasox27 · 09-07-2009, 04:32 PM

I tend to believe that all Seymour is interested in is the money and he doesn't get the big payday without playing this year.

***BelichickFan*** · 09-07-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by italia44

And BTW......anybody who thinks it's impossible that Seymour would refuse to report and retired is missing on his history.

Big family man,who lives here,murdered parents and he has kind of a childish,petulant side to him.
So,IMHO,it's not impossible.

His parents were not murdered, his dad killed himself and his girlfriend.

I don't think there's a childish side to him, more of a sulking side, I have no doubt he will play this year. For Oakland, KC, or NE, I have no idea which.

italia44 · 09-07-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan

His parents were not murdered, his dad killed himself and his girlfriend.

I don't think there's a childish side to him, more of a sulking side, I have no doubt he will play this year. For Oakland, KC, or NE, I have no idea which.

nitpicking point taken.....but it was a seriously traumatic event,was it not?

***BelichickFan*** · 09-07-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by italia44

nitpicking point taken.....but it was a seriously traumatic event,was it not?

Traumatic, sure. But there's a significant difference in how you respond to your innocent parents being murdered vs. your dad killing someone and himself. But, yes, I'm sure it was stunning and traumatic.