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Old 09-06-2009, 09:17 PM   #1
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Breaking Down The Richard Seymour Trade - Albert Breer - The Trenches - Sporting News
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The National media seems to have a better grasp of what transpired here than some of the locals and fans. And Breer also references the long history of Seymour never quite developing the all in mentality that any top tier player here MUST embrace.
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The National media seems to have a better grasp of what transpired here than some of the locals and fans. And Breer also references the long history of Seymour never quite developing the all in mentality that any top tier player here MUST embrace.
he also makes this somewhat valid pt

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This relates to the Branch example. Sure, it's nice to have a full complement of draft picks. But if you cost yourself championship opportunities now, by trading one of the few impact defensive players you have left, and that opportunity has dwindled by the time you get to use those picks, then what good is that?
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The one thing he leaves out is who we have in place to fill in for Seymour's absence this season. Let's say we lost Seymour to injury in the preseason and he was IR'd. I have confidence that the likes of Jarvis Green will prevent this defense from unraveling without Richard. The new question now is experienced depth.
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I think when you really step back and think about it rationally, it's a good trade. Sure, it would have been great to have Seymour, but we got GREAT value here. Would you make the best team in the league a little weaker, while making the future possibly MUCH stronger by trading a 1-year rental (what it basically is now) for a future long-term Top of first round type talent? Me, I would.
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Yup.

In 2006, Belichick did the "right" thing. Had we won the Super Bowl with the deficiency at WR that he left, then there would have been no second guessing. Belichick rolled the dice and lost. Perhaps we would have lost anyway, but looking back and forward from the day Branch left, it seemed a great risk.

And here we are again. In 2009, Belichick is doing the best thing for the future of the patriots. But, make no question, Belichick is again rolling the dice with the 2009 season.

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He's right. But . . . I think Belichick wants to have a good chance to win indefinitely. He knows we could have won in 2005 (crappy PI call), 2006 (one 3 yard completion away), 2007 (we all know what happened), 2008 (if that hit didn't happen). ***** happens and I think Belichick would prefer a good chance every year than a little better than a good chance for a couple of years before disintegration. Most championship teams implode from within; this trade lessens our chance this year by a little bit but these trades over the years keep the chances good for a long time. Would we have won in 2007 with Branch ? Maybe; but we may have lost to SD with him, there's no way to tell. I do know that if we use our draft picks well the next two years and re-sign Brady we'll be really good now for about 7 more years.
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Yup.

In 2006, Belichick did the "right" thing. Had we won the Super Bowl with the deficiency at WR that he left, then there would have been no second guessing. Belichick rolled the dice and lost. Perhaps we would have lost anyway, but looking back and forward from the day Branch left, it seemed a great risk.

And here we are again. In 2009, Belichick is doing the best thing for the future of the patriots. But, make no question, Belichick is again rolling the dice with the 2009 season.
No doubt about it. We were so close to the SB in 2006, and any one of several things would probably have made the difference, including Branch at WR. There's no question that we could dearly miss Seymour come January.
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Yup.

In 2006, Belichick did the "right" thing. Had we won the Super Bowl with the deficiency at WR that he left, then there would have been no second guessing. Belichick rolled the dice and lost. Perhaps we would have lost anyway, but looking back and forward from the day Branch left, it seemed a great risk.

And here we are again. In 2009, Belichick is doing the best thing for the future of the patriots. But, make no question, Belichick is again rolling the dice with the 2009 season.
Let's also not forget that it WAS NOT the offense that lost us that 06 Con-Championship game. We put up 35 points in that game and had a 21-3 lead at half-time. The defense COMPLETELY **** the bed. Another big probably was the fact that the RUNNING game couldn't eat enough clock to keep Peyton on the bench.

It's like blaming the defense for us losing the SB in '07...
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Let's also not forget that it WAS NOT the offense that lost us that 06 Con-Championship game. We put up 35 points in that game and had a 21-3 lead at half-time. The defense COMPLETELY **** the bed. Another big probably was the fact that the RUNNING game couldn't eat enough clock to keep Peyton on the bench.

It's like blaming the defense for us losing the SB in '07...
Yeah, I don't think Branch would have been any better replacement for TBC than Alexander was. Talk about faulty logic.

Sure Branch left us scrambling that year, but it was because he decided to not honor his legal contract, not because we decided to trade him. We had no choice. Would have really helped our team to have him on a high dollar long term contract, right?

Adam Seward[/sarcasm], probably would have helped more, and much cheaper.
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