Pats acquire TE Michael Matthews from Giants - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

glm · 09-05-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TapDancing39

David Thomas proved that he could both catch and block and provides more flexibility than Michael Matthews. I don't see it as an improvement, nor do I think Matthews will ever be a difference maker with the Patriots. Baker can catch and provide some run blocking, he'll probably be used in most situations anyway.

David Thomas averaged 7 catches, 87 yards, and .333 TD a year.

So yeah, not really someone who will be missed.

Michael Mathews at the very least is a much better blocking tight end than Thomas.

***KontradictioN*** · 09-05-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by patsinthesnow

So we got rid of Thomas (an unknown) for an unknown blocking TE. Seemed like nothing happened. I agree with Tapdancin. Baker is a blocking TE.

First, your sig is huge. Heh. Second, Baker is going to be primarily used as a pass catching receiver in this offense. Matthews was blot in for his blocking expertise. Now let's hope he's good enough at that to make us forget about Mr. Graham.

TapDancing39 · 09-05-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

When the hell did Thomas ever prove he could block? If he'd ever proven that, he'd still be a member of the New England Patriots.

Thomas was used as a blocking tight end, and that definitely doesn't necessarily mean he would still be a member of Patriots. He could both block and catch, however he recently hasn't been getting the blocking done. Like I recently stated, he provides more flexibility than Matthews who is a pure blocking FB type of TE.

***KontradictioN*** · 09-05-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TapDancing39

Thomas was used as a blocking tight end, and that definitely doesn't necessarily mean he would still be a member of Patriots. He could both block and catch, however he recently hasn't been getting the blocking done. Like I recently stated, he provides more flexibility than Matthews who is a pure blocking FB type of TE.

Yeah. That David Thomas sure was lighting it up on the field for catch after catch, wasn't he?

***BradyFTW!*** · 09-05-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TapDancing39

Thomas was used as a blocking tight end, and that definitely doesn't necessarily mean he would still be a member of Patriots. He could both block and catch, however he recently hasn't been getting the blocking done. Like I recently stated, he provides more flexibility than Matthews who is a pure blocking FB type of TE.

If Thomas could block well, then they wouldn't have brought in a TE who can do nothing but block to replace him. The only memorable block that David Thomas ever threw was a penalty that probably cost us the Indy game last year. Belichick gave him every opportunity to prove that he could block well enough to stay on the roster, and he couldn't do it. That said, I *still* thought that the TEs were in pretty good shape with Watson/Baker/Thomas, so I'm feeling awfully good right now...

Dunno why you keep insisting that Thomas was good. He never demonstrated any notable talent in any aspect of the game. Is it because he caught passes from Vince Young in college, or because he was a third round pick? Because I def. don't know what else you could be basing this on. How can you could consider him equally as proven as a guy who has been a key cog and part-time starter in one of the league's top running games for the last 2 years?

***Deus Irae*** · 09-05-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TapDancing39

Thomas was used as a blocking tight end, and that definitely doesn't necessarily mean he would still be a member of Patriots. He could both block and catch, however he recently hasn't been getting the blocking done. Like I recently stated, he provides more flexibility than Matthews who is a pure blocking FB type of TE.

Thomas was a lousy blocker. If he wasn't a lousy blocker, he'd be a member of the New England Patriots.

Thomas was never a quality NFL receiving tight end. If he had been a quality NFL receiving tight end, he'd be a member of the New England Patriots.

I hope he has a great career for his new team. I don't expect it to happen.

5 Rings for Brady!! · 09-05-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TapDancing39

David Thomas proved that he could both catch and block and provides more flexibility than Michael Matthews. I don't see it as an improvement, nor do I think Matthews will ever be a difference maker with the Patriots. Baker can catch and provide some run blocking, he'll probably be used in most situations anyway.

Apparently BB disagrees.

TapDancing39 · 09-05-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Thomas was a lousy blocker. If he wasn't a lousy blocker, he'd be a member of the New England Patriots.

Thomas was never a quality NFL receiving tight end. If he had been a quality NFL receiving tight end, he'd be a member of the New England Patriots.

I hope he has a great career for his new team. I don't expect it to happen.

I see some contradiction here.

So since you're claiming Thomas would be a member of the Patriots if he could both block and receive well, why isn't Matthews still a member of the Giants? Probably because he provided little to no flexibility to them?

Brady to Brown · 09-05-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BPF

Nice move -- I've always liked this kid Matthews. He is huge and strong. He's an excellent blocker, which will help the tackles and in 3 wide looks. He fits in perfectly and now there's a blend of talent at the TE position. He's not going to stretch the middle w/his lack of speed but that's not what the Pats will ask him to do, that will be Watson's role. Baker is a solid blocker and receiver and that's why he starts.

Hard to know what we ever have at the TE position.

With what we have invested in it..........

***Deus Irae*** · 09-05-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TapDancing39

I see some contradiction here.

So since you're claiming Thomas would be a member of the Patriots if he could both block and receive well, why isn't Matthews still a member of the Giants? Probably because he provided little to no flexibility to them?

No, I'm claiming that he'd be a member of the Patriots if he could do either of them well. That's why they were pointed out in separate sentences and everything.