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One thing that did impress me about him was how he handled pressure and stress. He got his butt handed to him by Giants 1st team and 2nd team. I mean I almost felt sorry for the guy while watching but he kept his poise and evetually got into rythm. That's one thing I didn't see when watching KOC. While his arm strength was bit underwhelming and he almost got Greg Lewis killed, I think he can be serviceable back up. Isn't that what you want from back up QB? Poised, not making stupid mistakes? He doesn't have to be world beater, just adequate player.
Agreed. And let's not forget that he was playing behind the 2nd team O-Line against the Giant's 1st string.
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Ok, I will conceed deer in the headlight was too strong of a statement, but he played like crap other than one game last preseason.
Again, Hoyer had a good night last night and deserved to finish the game, but let put it in perspective that it was only one game. Personally I thought last night was a battle to win the number 3 spot behind Brady and most likely AJ Feeley. Hoyer won that spot from Walter who I expect will be cut soon. Hoyer might turn into an excellent player, but let's not go overboard based on one game.
Like Bill Parcells said, "Let's not put him in Canton just yet" (granted the ironic thing it was about a player who is going to Canton,). It was one good game and we have no idea how much of it was him or the competition.
As for Cassel, Cassel did regress after a strong start. He went almost two complete preseasons and a regular season without a TD. Belichick felt strongly enough about his talent to keep him. We have no idea how Hoyer will progress or if he will progress at all.
You just don't get it. Cassel didn't ever regress. Impressing fans and mediots on the field has nothing to do with impressing BB and the coaches on the field and in practices and camps. Had he regressed he'd be gone, like KOC. We have no idea what Hoyer's ceiling is or if he will continue to progress, but BB seems to think he has better upside than KOC and Walter. That's quite an endorsement for an UDFA QB.
One day BB should try and talk Flutie into coaching. He'd be invaluable as a QB's coach. He taught Cassel that learning to emulate Brady was his best shot at sticking on this roster and finding his way to one of his own. If Hoyer has that temperment, he could find himself on the Cassel track. None of them will ever be Brady, but if they can become 80-90% of Brady they can have a long and lucrative career in this league. Zo earlier said something similar. Some coaches like to have a backup who represents a radical change of pace. Only that presents some problems for the rest of the offense (including the starting OL and receivers) for whom it's always prefereble to have a guy who represents similarity to the starter to the greatest extent possible - particularly when the starter is a HOF'er. Reads, cadeneces, protections, preferences, temperement...
Once again Bill Belichick has demonstrated that he is a draft guru, "par excellance". He picked up a forgotten and overlooked QB who had a mediocre college career,while playing on a poor team, and found the spark of a NFL caliber QB.
He has now found what appear to be three NFL QBs. For the grand total of a 6th, 7th round and now an UDFA, no pick at all. Meanwhile other teams bust consistently on First Round "Can't Miss", rookie phenoms, who nevertheless... do.
Brian Hoyer goes 18 for 25, and 242 yards, 1 TD and 0 INTs in his FIRST start. I'm glad to see him succeed, but with the cutting of Kevin O'Connell, a third round pick last week, that caused a stir throughout the league, and this performance, I fear it will be impossible to hide Brian Hoyer on the Practice Squad now. What a pleasant problem to have.
I was very impressed with Brian Hoyers POISE and composure when he played in the tail end of th Bengals game. He didn't produce gaudy stats; but he piloted and led the team from the moment he set foot on the field, in a totally unflappable way, a long time veteran would. Now this performance!
Do you think the perennial Belichick bashers like the capt and company will stop yelling about a wasted draft pick and or giving up on a guy too soon, for KOC? Probably not. But the second guessing by everyone else surely will.
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I think that you forgetting about the 4th round pick spent on Davey and the 3rd round pick spent on O'Connell doesn't do your argument justice..
I think that its also WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY to earlier to be crowning Hoyer the next Cassel.
You just don't get it. Cassel didn't ever regress. Impressing fans and mediots on the field has nothing to do with impressing BB and the coaches on the field and in practices and camps. Had he regressed he'd be gone, like KOC. We have no idea what Hoyer's ceiling is or if he will continue to progress, but BB seems to think he has better upside than KOC and Walter. That's quite an endorsement for an UDFA QB.
He did regress last preseason, but it probably wasn't all his fault. What impressed Belichick about Cassel was he never made the same mistake twice which means he learned from his mistakes, but it doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes. Young players do regress and teams have to weigh the upside and the possibility of regaining traction vs. moving on. Even if Cassel did regress, it wouldn't mean Belichick would give up on the guy if he thought he could work his way out of it.
It could be an endorsement or a damnation of O'Connell and Walter. I never thought Walter had much of a shot of making the team in the first place. O'Connell showed Belichick something so bad that he didn't even try hold onto him long enough to see if he could get something in trade.
Hoyer could turn into a solid back up or even more, but my point is to start calling him the next Cassel after one preseason performance is crazy. The Pats have had plenty of developmental QBs under Belichick who have done nothing in the league. Belichick loves to tinker with developmental QBs.
You just don't get it. Cassel didn't ever regress. Impressing fans and mediots on the field has nothing to do with impressing BB and the coaches on the field and in practices and camps. Had he regressed he'd be gone, like KOC. We have no idea what Hoyer's ceiling is or if he will continue to progress, but BB seems to think he has better upside than KOC and Walter. That's quite an endorsement for an UDFA QB.
MO - Sorry to disagree with you, but Cassel did regress during his 2nd season. And, if the Pats had so much confidence in him, why not go to him more during the 2007 season when they had large leads on teams..
Yes, I was one who said Cassel was staying over Gutierrez. Mainly because I looked at the individual situations like BB said to do during one of his pressers. And when I did that, Cassel had shown he'd done more in the situational parts of the game than Gutierrez had.
But Cassel had regressed from his 1st year to his 2nd year. Yes, he improved from 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th. But not enough in the 2nd to 3rd to justify him going in during the routs that the Pats put on until extremely late in the 4th quarter when the game was more than over.
He did regress last preseason, but it probably wasn't all his fault. What impressed Belichick about Cassel was he never made the same mistake twice which means he learned from his mistakes, but it doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes. Young players do regress and teams have to weigh the upside and the possibility of regaining traction vs. moving on. Even if Cassel did regress, it wouldn't mean Belichick would give up on the guy if he thought he could work his way out of it.
It could be an endorsement or a damnation of O'Connell and Walter. I never thought Walter had much of a shot of making the team in the first place. O'Connell showed Belichick something so bad that he didn't even try hold onto him long enough to see if he could get something in trade.
Hoyer could turn into a solid back up or even more, but my point is to start calling him the next Cassel after one preseason performance is crazy. The Pats have had plenty of developmental QBs under Belichick who have done nothing in the league. Belichick loves to tinker with developmental QBs.
He didn't regress. He didn't look good on TV in the pre season but he was fine in camp and the #2 consistently. What those who watch games on TV all too often fail to take into account was what everyone else was doing (or not) in relation to what the QB is doing. He was making the right reads and throws, others weren't executing or making appropriate adjustments. As a result the team wasn't moving the chains. Not his fault. Gutz took it upon himself to veer off the reservation in an effort to make plays. That to BB is failure of discipline and poise under pressure. KOC did what most all rookies do in their first pre season, what they can do. His failure was to have seriously regressed from year 1 to year 2. He could neither run the offense correctly or move the by the seat of his pants... That was an epic fail. Can't really call Gutz failure epic because he was an UDFA. But his failure was only slightly less epic.
MO - Sorry to disagree with you, but Cassel did regress during his 2nd season. And, if the Pats had so much confidence in him, why not go to him more during the 2007 season when they had large leads on teams..
Yes, I was one who said Cassel was staying over Gutierrez. Mainly because I looked at the individual situations like BB said to do during one of his pressers. And when I did that, Cassel had shown he'd done more in the situational parts of the game than Gutierrez had.
But Cassel had regressed from his 1st year to his 2nd year. Yes, he improved from 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th. But not enough in the 2nd to 3rd to justify him going in during the routs that the Pats put on until extremely late in the 4th quarter when the game was more than over.
He regressed to the point he became the #2 to Brady on a team with no #3...LOL
He regressed to the point he became the #2 to Brady on a team with no #3...LOL
Vinny Testaverde says "HI" and reminds you that he was injured and recuperating. Once he was healthy, the Pats were quick to sign him and make Vinny the #2. Sorry that you don't remember that, Mo. Must be that selective memory thing or its just you not wanting to admit reality. But you are usually better than that.
EDIT: The number 2 job was HANDED to Cassel because Flutie retired. And its not like there was that much TC competition from JT O'Sullivan.
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