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Christopher_Price · 08-21-2009, 07:38 AM

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Christopher Price | Ten Things We Learned Last Night: Pats Struggle In Preseason Loss

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 08-21-2009, 08:43 AM

As I commented over at eei, Good read Chris! One correction, Wheatley recovered the Coats fumble, not Butler.

farn · 08-21-2009, 08:46 AM

Thanks for the info. Good job.

My main point of interest : I felt exactly the same way about the CBs... I really was impressed by Butler, not so much by Wheatley. In fact, though I was really thinking Wheatley would really develop in TC & pre-season, I thought I was watching Deltha for a while there... yikes.

Not giving up on him, but I think it's more than safe to say that Whilhite and Butler are well ahead of Wheatley on the current depth chart.

patsfaninpittsburgh · 08-21-2009, 08:59 AM

How much playing time for the starters was actually planned?

Hard to see how much rythem can be achieved with 2 offensive series.

However, today's reaction is similiar to the thought process after the 2007 Titans pre-season game.

JustWinBrady · 08-21-2009, 09:32 AM

Things i learned or was reaffirmed...

- Pats still don't have a pass rush...
the biggest weakness on this team is pass rush & what i have seen this year is that they have not gotten better, maybe regressed. that is a big reason 3rd down & redzone defense was one of the worst in the league last year.

- crable can't stay on the field - was hurt again last night.

- fred taylor still has plenty of gas in the tank.

- TE - Lewis may be traded or gets cut. ventrone is more valuable to this team.

- chung - as he has been labeled a sure tackler, he had a major wiff on a bengal runner that made him look silly. muffed punt.

- maroney - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.

- kevin faulk - still a weapon for this team.

- nunn - practice squad player at best at this point.

- o'connell - still needs a ton of work.

- OLB depth stinks - no pass rush, no depth = struggling D

pencilneckgeek · 08-21-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JustWinBrady

Things i learned or was reaffirmed...

- Pats still don't have a pass rush...
the biggest weakness on this team is pass rush & what i have seen this year is that they have not gotten better, maybe regressed.

Huh? They had four sacks last night and several QB hits/pressures. Over a season, that translates to 64 sacks (not that every team's O-line will be as obliging as Cinci's

). Compare that to 30 sacks all last year. I'd say that's a big improvement.

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 08-21-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JustWinBrady

Things i learned or was reaffirmed...

- Pats still don't have a pass rush...
the biggest weakness on this team is pass rush & what i have seen this year is that they have not gotten better, maybe regressed. that is a big reason 3rd down & redzone defense was one of the worst in the league last year.

- crable can't stay on the field - was hurt again last night.

- fred taylor still has plenty of gas in the tank.

- TE - Lewis may be traded or gets cut. ventrone is more valuable to this team.

- chung - as he has been labeled a sure tackler, he had a major wiff on a bengal runner that made him look silly. muffed punt.

- maroney - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.

- kevin faulk - still a weapon for this team.

- nunn - practice squad player at best at this point.

- o'connell - still needs a ton of work.

- OLB depth stinks - no pass rush, no depth = struggling D

Lewis is a TE? Double check your roster on this, your' may be out of date.

"- maroney - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless."
- Taylor - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.
- Morris - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.
- Faulk - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.
- Green-Ellis - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.

Oddly enough, each of those alternate lines makes as much sense as the original.

JustWinBrady · 08-21-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pencilneckgeek

Huh? They had four sacks last night and several QB hits/pressures. Over a season, that translates to 64 sacks (not that every team's O-line will be as obliging as Cinci's

). Compare that to 30 sacks all last year. I'd say that's a big improvement.

against weak o-lines, the pats do ok, against solid ones, the team really struggles. say as you want, but imo, olb & pass rush is the biggest weakness on this team. time will tell...

JustWinBrady · 08-21-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

Lewis is a TE? Double check your roster on this, your' may be out of date.

"- maroney - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless."
- Taylor - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.
- Morris - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.
- Faulk - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.
- Green-Ellis - he needs to get the ball in open space or he is useless.

Oddly enough, each of those alternate lines makes as much sense as the original.

- smith..lol.. he is so non-existent he might as well be a lewis...

- the other RBs know how to run between the tackles, maroney just dances around and stutter steps. he hasn't gotten any better in this regard...

patsfaninpittsburgh · 08-21-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JustWinBrady

against weak o-lines, the pats do ok, against solid ones, the team really struggles. say as you want, but imo, olb & pass rush is the biggest weakness on this team. time will tell...

Just

I can understand the concern but your arguement makes no sense. How can you project a four sack performance (and last weeks) onto a "good" line?

Who is "good"? Who is "bad"?

Sacks don't count if they are against "bad" lines? Were blitzes schemed? The sacks needed to "super sacks" to count against projected "good" lines?