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PatsFanSince74 · 08-06-2009, 07:18 AM

I've attached a link below to Gary Myers piece in todays News. The Online version leaves out several paragraphs from the paper version, if you can pick up a copy somewhere.

The article begins: "Eli Manning is about to become the highest-paid player in NFL history, which seems a bit out of whack because he's no better than the NFL's fifth-best quarterback going into the 2009 season. But he's being welcomed as the eighth all-time member of the $100 Million Quarterback Club by virtue of that incredible four-game playoff run a year and a half ago when he outplayed Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo, Brett Favre and Tom Brady as the Giants became one of the most improbable Super Bowl champions ever.
Absolutely nothing Manning did before or has done since suggests he should be the highest-paid player." (my underline)

In the paper version of the article (the online version leaves out a few paragraphs), Myers lists the top five QB's as: Brady, Peyton, Ben, Brees and then Eli, concluding that "...he's a lot closer to the next level of Donovan McNabb, Philip Rivers, Kurt Warner and Matt Ryan than he is to Brady and his brother." (my underline again)

Amazing, consider it's coming from a New York writer who led the Spygate charge. Eli is on a very short leash now with the New York media and Myers knows that Tommy is the best.

Giants make Eli Manning highest-paid quarterback in NFL, but he's not best

ScottieC · 08-06-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanSince74

I've attached a link below to Gary Myers piece in todays News. The Online version leaves out several paragraphs from the paper version, if you can pick up a copy somewhere.

The article begins: "Eli Manning is about to become the highest-paid player in NFL history, which seems a bit out of whack because he's no better than the NFL's fifth-best quarterback going into the 2009 season. But he's being welcomed as the eighth all-time member of the $100 Million Quarterback Club by virtue of that incredible four-game playoff run a year and a half ago when he outplayed Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo, Brett Favre and Tom Brady as the Giants became one of the most improbable Super Bowl champions ever.
Absolutely nothing Manning did before or has done since suggests he should be the highest-paid player." (my underline)

In the paper version of the article (the online version leaves out a few paragraphs), Myers lists the top five QB's as: Brady, Peyton, Ben, Brees and then Eli, concluding that "...he's a lot closer to the next level of Donovan McNabb, Philip Rivers, Kurt Warner and Matt Ryan than he is to Brady and his brother." (my underline again)

Amazing, consider it's coming from a New York writer who led the Spygate charge. Eli is on a very short leash now with the New York media and Myers knows that Tommy is the best.

Giants make Eli Manning highest-paid quarterback in NFL, but he's not best

I remember back when Myers was drumming the Spygate Story and I spoke with him about his story and his view and questioned whether he thought Bill was the Lone Gunman in that practice - He told me that he thought there was ZERO chance that Bill started the Video Taping Practice and that he was NOT the only coach doing it - However as a writer he needed to follow and write about the stories that would appeal to his readers. My point was, "if that's what you think or know, Gary - Write about that as well!" He said he thought that at some point that story would be told. I'm still waiting for it.

For what it's worth.

RussFrancis · 08-06-2009, 08:13 AM

Obviously anyone with half a brain can tell us Brady is at the top. But I just cant respect the opinion of anyone who thinks Eli Manning is the 5th best QB in the NFL. That guy's flat out an idiot. Sorry.

PatsFanSince74 · 08-06-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottieC

I remember back when Myers was drumming the Spygate Story and I spoke with him about his story and his view and questioned whether he thought Bill was the Lone Gunman in that practice - He told me that he thought there was ZERO chance that Bill started the Video Taping Practice and that he was NOT the only coach doing it - However as a writer he needed to follow and write about the stories that would appeal to his readers. My point was, "if that's what you think or know, Gary - Write about that as well!" He said he thought that at some point that story would be told. I'm still waiting for it.

For what it's worth.

Yeah, I've corresponded with but never spoken personally to Gary. He's a "grownup" in a local media family with a lot of overgrown juveniles. He wouldn't put it this way, but he has to walk a careful line and throw enough red meat to the News' readership to keep his job. That means playing to a lot of brain-dead Jets fans and also appealing to the Giants fans, who tend to be a classier group but still want to be told what they want to hear. A guy like Myers is smart enough to wait until he's close to retirement and then write a book wherein he can afford to appeal to a broader audience, beyond New York fans.

***Rob0729*** · 08-06-2009, 08:20 AM

I don't think this is all that amazing at all. Myers may hate the Patriots and can make some slanted columns, but even most of the most feverant Patriots haters acknowledge that Brady is either the best or right behind Peyton Manning in the category.

Funktopus · 08-06-2009, 08:21 AM

I think this is just another phase in the media cycle of build someone up so you can tear them down. Myers will rate Eli 5th best with a SB win so that 6 months from now when he's not performing he can rip the ***** out of him while secretly hoping Eli ends up in a public urinal with George Michael before the season is over.

PatsFanSince74 · 08-06-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RussFrancis

Obviously anyone with half a brain can tell us Brady is at the top. But I just cant respect the opinion of anyone who thinks Eli Manning is the 5th best QB in the NFL. That guy's flat out an idiot. Sorry.

Fair question, but who else, besides Donovan (whom I would argue you might put there), would you put ahead of him?

Romo? Inconsistent is his middle name. Warner? Arguably, but hard to do given his age and the 9--7 regular season last year. Rivers? Needs to win a few big games. Campbell? Way too soon. Jackson? Edwards? Lossman? Give me a break. Cassel, Ryan or Flacco? I think we need to see more than one good season.

And, we do have to remember that Eli has a ring and pulled off that 2007/08 playoff run, whatever else we might think about him. The only active (still-starting) QB's to win rings this decade are Tommy, Peyton, Ben, Warner and Eli.

So, besides Tommy, Payme, Ben, Brees and Donovan, whom would you put ahead of him?

PatsFanSince74 · 08-06-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

I don't think this is all that amazing at all. Myers may hate the Patriots and can make some slanted columns, but even most of the most feverant Patriots haters acknowledge that Brady is either the best or right behind Peyton Manning in the category.

"Amazing" in that he doesn't join the Peyton ball washers and reflexively put him first, as many outside New England do, based on "career stats." And amazing that he is that critical of Eli ("nothing he has done before or since..."). Amazing too that he puts Eli behind Brees. And, amazing in the context of the nonsense that Myers wrote during Spygate. So, to a Pats Fan living in NY and reading the tabloids everyday, yeah, "Amazing."

***Rob0729*** · 08-06-2009, 09:00 AM

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"Amazing" in that he doesn't join the Peyton ball washers and reflexively put him first, as many outside New England do, based on "career stats." And amazing that he is that critical of Eli ("nothing he has done before or since..."). Amazing too that he puts Eli behind Brees. And, amazing in the context of the nonsense that Myers wrote during Spygate. So, to a Pats Fan living in NY and reading the tabloids everyday, yeah, "Amazing."

He pretty pretty much lumps Brady and Peyton together based on what I saw. I don't find that all that amazing. Most people lump those two together as the best as 1a and 1b. I still don't get the significance.

I still don't see how Spygate has much to do with it. Most of the media slant even in NY was a damnation of Belichick, not Brady. There was some "Brady had the advantage because he knew what defense the other team was going to run", but that was mostly fan led, not media driven. I still don't get the significance.

I definitely don't find it amazing that he would put Eli behind Brees. Brees was a favorite for MVP of the league before he had a December swoon last year. The guy was making a run for Marino's single season yardage record. I can't see how anyone with a modicrum of football knowledge would put Eli over Brees. Brees is generally recognized as the current 3rd or 4th best QB in the league after Brady and Peyton. In fact, if Meyers listed Eli over Brees, he should have just given up journalism all together and just started his own homer yahoo Giants fan website.

Personally, I find the most amazing part of the whole thing that Meyers lists Eli in the top 5 QBs in the league. Over Rivers. Over McNabb. That is far more amazing than Meyers saying Brady is #1 or that he would put Brees over Eli.

***Deus Irae*** · 08-06-2009, 09:02 AM

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Fair question, but who else, besides Donovan (whom I would argue you might put there), would you put ahead of him?

Romo? Inconsistent is his middle name. Warner? Arguably, but hard to do given his age and the 9--7 regular season last year. Rivers? Needs to win a few big games. Campbell? Way too soon. Jackson? Edwards? Lossman? Give me a break. Cassel, Ryan or Flacco? I think we need to see more than one good season.

And, we do have to remember that Eli has a ring and pulled off that 2007/08 playoff run, whatever else we might think about him. The only active (still-starting) QB's to win rings this decade are Tommy, Peyton, Ben, Warner and Eli.

So, besides Tommy, Payme, Ben, Brees and Donovan, whom would you put ahead of him?

Brady
Manning
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Brees
McNabb
Warner
Palmer

Personally, I don't think there's any real question that all 8 of those quarterbacks are better than Manning. That makes Manning #9 before you even get into debates. I'd personally put Hasselbeck there, too, but he was injured a lot of last season, so I could see where people would debate the issue. So, that puts Manning somewhere in the mix with:

Hasselbeck
Ryan
Cutler
Pennington
Schaub
Cassel
Rodgers
Romo
Ryan

which means that Manning could be reasonably be slotted anywhere from 9-19, depending upon how someone's internal debates break down.

Edwards
Clemens/Sanchez
Flacco
Quinn/Anderson
Collins/Young
Garrard
Orton
Russell/Garcia
Campbell
Rosenfels
Stafford
Delhomme
Bucs QB
Niners QB
Bulger

That would be the list to clearly put below Manning, IMO. Yes, Eli won a Super Bowl because fortune favored him, but we're talking about a career 76.1 passer rating and a 98/74 TD/INT ratio.