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The draft definitely isn't a sure thing, and you're right about the pick being closer to the 4th. But I guess it really depends on what you think Burgess is going to be. If you think he's the answer (or a large part of the answer) to the hole left by Vrabel, I guess you could justify the third. But I'm concerned about the recent string of injuries and age, and I also think we could get him for less.
As for this year's third round, if we're not talking about fits for the system and strictly on talent/potential, guys like Shonn Greene and Louis Vasquez are a few intriguing names. I'm not a fan of Michael Johnson, but he was a potential first-rounder who dropped, so there could be a value pick there.
And I liked the Pats' picks this year, Brandon Tate and Tyrone McKenzie (too bad about the injury). A guy like Patrick Turner probably won't be a star, but could have developed into a nice third receiver, especially behind Moss/Welker. I like Lardarius Webb and Derek Cox too, and there are several other guys who would have been projects or else could contribute right away, but don't necessarily have a lot of potential.
I hear you - round 3 presents great value, and I agree the Pats 2 third round picks in 09 will likely end up as contributors. But we have to balance short term and long term goals. Outside of the health of Brady, Moss, AD, etc. and other key players, the only thing potentially stopping the Pats from another SB run would be pass rush.
While I think we can get pass rush from our DL and from AD, adding Burgess would allow AD to play a more flexible and versatile role in the D, and allow BB to throw more packages out there. I agree the price - in theory - is too high, but in the practical sense, considering our needs, I would pull the trigger.
Last edited by BradyManny; 08-03-2009 at 10:40 AM..
We paid a 4th for Moss in 07, in what COULD have been a rental, and that was clearly worth it. Whether we would extend Burgess or not, a 3rd rounder would be worth it if it helped the team win a SB in 09.
We paid a 4th for Moss in 07, in what COULD have been a rental, and that was clearly worth it. Whether we would extend Burgess or not, a 3rd rounder would be worth it if it helped the team win a SB in 09.
Moss is a far better player than Burgess and, as you pointed out, it was a 4th.
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"Moss is a far better player than Burgess and, as you pointed out, it was a 4th."
Ya but at the time a lot of people thought Moss was done, and he would have ended up being cut by Oakland anyway, he had just given up. His stock was as low as it could get.
Burgess may want out, but he's not so bad that him being on the team is actually hurting you, which is what Moss was like in Oakland. They had to let Moss go. They don't have to let Burgess go.
Moss ended up proving that he was still great, but ATT Moss was worth nothing, Oakland was gonna release him anyway.
"Moss is a far better player than Burgess and, as you pointed out, it was a 4th."
Ya but at the time a lot of people thought Moss was done, and he would have ended up being cut by Oakland anyway, he had just given up. His stock was as low as it could get.
Burgess may want out, but he's not so bad that him being on the team is actually hurting you, which is what Moss was like in Oakland. They had to let Moss go. They don't have to let Burgess go.
Moss ended up proving that he was still great, but ATT Moss was worth nothing, Oakland was gonna release him anyway.
I wasn't one who thought Moss was done. I can only opine on this based upon my perception of the involved value, because it's about my thought on the value of Burgess v. the draft picks.
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius
"I wasn't one who thought Moss was done. I can only opine on this based upon my perception of the involved value, because it's about my thought on the value of Burgess v. the draft picks."
Im sure others in the league agreed with you, but with Moss's rep for being a cancer, only a few teams could take him. My point is Moss had no value back when the Pats traded for him. Oakland had no leverage.
Burgess dosen't have quite the same rep and has proven ability, so Oakland can hold out for more.
"I wasn't one who thought Moss was done. I can only opine on this based upon my perception of the involved value, because it's about my thought on the value of Burgess v. the draft picks."
Im sure others in the league agreed with you, but with Moss's rep for being a cancer, only a few teams could take him. My point is Moss had no value back when the Pats traded for him. Oakland had no leverage.
Burgess dosen't have quite the same rep and has proven ability, so Oakland can hold out for more.
Oakland can hold out for 34 first round picks for all I care. I wouldn't give up a 3rd for Burgess, and that is the scenario posed.
Now, to be fair, I say that blindly, in that I'm not seeing what the Woods/TBC/etc... crew is looking like every day, the way BB is. If BB gives up a 3rd, I'll consider it too much, but I'll understand that he's had a different perspective on the situation.
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Re: Burgess can be had for a 3rd and a 4th...
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