OT: Wilhelm released by Chargers - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Early Roster Projection
Ryan's Journey Started Early
POST DRAFT PODCAST

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-24-2009, 02:38 PM   #1
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 
miDeuce's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 761
My Mood: Lurking
Default OT: Wilhelm released by Chargers

I think he'd be worth a look, better schematic fit than Paris Lennon (though not sure if he can help on STs), and has the size we've missed since Ted J. I mean, not out of the question he could take Bruschi's job as 2 down run stuffer (as much as I love Tedy)...
miDeuce is offline  
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 07-24-2009, 02:39 PM   #2
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,298
Default Re: Matt Wilhelm Released...

Any reason why he was released?
BradyManny is offline  
Old 07-24-2009, 02:41 PM   #3
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 
miDeuce's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 761
My Mood: Lurking
Default Re: Matt Wilhelm Released...

Quote:
Originally Posted by BradyManny2344 View Post
Any reason why he was released?
Not sure, I know he lost the starter job last year. But haven't seen the details/analysis yet...

EDIT... PFT LINK

Last edited by miDeuce; 07-24-2009 at 02:43 PM..
miDeuce is offline  
Old 07-24-2009, 02:44 PM   #4
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
Rob0729's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 25,373
Default Re: Matt Wilhelm Released...

Quote:
Originally Posted by miDeuce View Post
I think he'd be worth a look, better schematic fit than Paris Lennon (though not sure if he can help on STs), and has the size we've missed since Ted J. I mean, not out of the question he could take Bruschi's job as 2 down run stuffer (as much as I love Tedy)...
I'm not really sure he is a better schematic fit or not. Just because he played ILB in the Chargers' 3-4 doesn't mean he would do well in the Pats' 3-4. The Chargers run an one-gap 3-4 defense. Wilhelm probably hasn't had much experience trying to shed blocks from guards like he would with the Patriots. Not all 3-4s are the same.

He could be a good fit for the Pats. I don't know enough about him. But just because he played in the 3-4 doesn't mean he can play in the Pats' 3-4.
Rob0729 is online now  
Old 07-24-2009, 02:47 PM   #5
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
Rob0729's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 25,373
Default Re: Matt Wilhelm Released...

Here's Scout Inc's take on the guy:

Quote:
Filling in for Donnie Edwards, Wilhelm played well in his first season as a starter. He wasn't spectacular and didn't make a huge amount of big plays, but he was productive and regularly around the football. He is a bigger inside linebacker with the power and bulk needed to engage offensive line blocks at the point of attack. Wilhelm is a powerful, technically-sound tackler who plays the game with passion on every snap. He is a tough guy who doesn't shy away from engaging. Wilhelm finds himself out of position on occasion, but is improving in this regard. He also can play too high and struggles to get off blocks at times. His athletic ability and knee bend is a problem and will limit his upside going forward. He isn't real smooth flipping his hips and his change of direction isn't ideal. He also offers little when rushing the passer and is best playing only on early downs. He has battled injuries and his durability is a concern.
They give him a grade of 61 which is the low end of the average starter.

Matt Wilhelm Stats, News, Photos - San Diego Chargers - ESPN
Rob0729 is online now  
Old 07-24-2009, 02:49 PM   #6
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 
miDeuce's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 761
My Mood: Lurking
Default Re: Matt Wilhelm Released...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob0729 View Post
I'm not really sure he is a better schematic fit or not. Just because he played ILB in the Chargers' 3-4 doesn't mean he would do well in the Pats' 3-4. The Chargers run an one-gap 3-4 defense. Wilhelm probably hasn't had much experience trying to shed blocks from guards like he would with the Patriots. Not all 3-4s are the same.

He could be a good fit for the Pats. I don't know enough about him. But just because he played in the 3-4 doesn't mean he can play in the Pats' 3-4.
Well just from a size standpoint he might be a better fit. He's 6' 4", 245... 2 inches and 10 pounds on Lenon. For that alone he would add something the Pats don't have in their ILB crop. Of course he might not have the skills that translate to the Pats 3-4 and he lost his starting job so clearly he's not an Adam Seward-type or anything.
miDeuce is offline  
Old 07-24-2009, 02:53 PM   #7
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,298
Default Re: Matt Wilhelm Released...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob0729 View Post
Here's Scout Inc's take on the guy:



They give him a grade of 61 which is the low end of the average starter.

Matt Wilhelm Stats, News, Photos - San Diego Chargers - ESPN
Interesting, they do reference the ability to take on blockers. Do you happen to know what grade Scouts Inc gave Lenon for comparison?
BradyManny is offline  
Old 07-24-2009, 02:55 PM   #8
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,293
Default Re: Matt Wilhelm Released...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob0729 View Post
I'm not really sure he is a better schematic fit or not. Just because he played ILB in the Chargers' 3-4 doesn't mean he would do well in the Pats' 3-4. The Chargers run an one-gap 3-4 defense. Wilhelm probably hasn't had much experience trying to shed blocks from guards like he would with the Patriots. Not all 3-4s are the same.

He could be a good fit for the Pats. I don't know enough about him. But just because he played in the 3-4 doesn't mean he can play in the Pats' 3-4.
If the Chargers play 1-gap 3-4, shooting the gap, wouldn't that mean that there are MORE guards getting into the LB area? The 2-gap is where the DL holds their guy at the point of attack? I don't know, just wondering, but I do agree that all 3-4 players do not fit all 3-4 schemes.

Edit: To address someone's point about needing another Ted Johnson type, why? Even when he was here, BB replaced him early on with Roman Phifer, who was more mobile. Ted Johnson's been gone for 5-6 years now, and BB has never made an attempt to replace his type, even with a UFDA.
__________________
“When we look at the board, based on everything we want in a football player at that particular time, we evaluate them and take the player that fits best for our football team. That’s what we always do, and I think the last nine years we’ve put a pretty competitive team out there on the field every year. I think that’s how you do it – you get good football players. Sometimes they are not always at the No. 1 position, but I don’t think you pass up good football players to get the guys who aren’t as good just because they’re at a position that somebody feels you need.”
BB on his draft philosophy, April 2010

Last edited by spacecrime; 07-24-2009 at 02:58 PM.. Reason: added junk about big LBs
spacecrime is offline  
Old 07-24-2009, 02:55 PM   #9
Second Team and Threatening Starter's Job
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 1,212
My Mood: Fine
Send a message via Yahoo to Warren94
Default Re: Matt Wilhelm Released...

I wouldn't mind him one bit. If he can take on blockers get some tutoring from bruschi you never know.
Warren94 is offline  
Old 07-24-2009, 03:01 PM   #10
Banned
 

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: IGNORE LIST OR BAN LIST
Posts: 7,839
Default Re: Matt Wilhelm Released...

Agreed, let's bring him in. I thought he would be a good fit coming out of college. He's been somewhat of a whipping boy in SD.
NEPatriot is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Chargers sign UFA ILB Kevin Burnett DisgruntledTunaFan NFL Football Forum 11 03-11-2009 05:34 AM
Did Comartie's Pick hurt the Chargers? PatsFaninAZ PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 10 01-20-2008 06:09 PM
A mad Chargers fan responds to Colvin sre94 PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 95 01-19-2007 01:45 PM
Chargers Recap - 2-3 Against good teams avgfootballfan PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 10 01-17-2007 07:19 PM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC