PatsBoy12

Okay, I know quite a few of you wish he would go away with all the Patriots talk involving him possibly coming back, but that's not what I want to discuss. My issue is simple, how the ***** did Champ Bailey make the top 25 team and not Law? I acknowledge that Champ is a heck of a football player and a complete corner, but c'mon. I'm sure you all know what Law accomplished, regardless of the fact that he's a shell of himself now.

Statistically, he's better. Admittedly not by much, but still better. But far beyond statistics, look at what the guy did in the playoffs. He terrorized Peyton Manning, he is one of two players (I believe) with a pick-six in a SB, and he would consistently shut down his side of the field for many seasons, especially the playoffs where it seemed like he just took his game to another level. I'll never forget watching him pointing the exact route that Harrison was going to run and then making a ridiculous one-hand INT grab over his shoulder. How many playoff appearances has Champ Bailey even had in his career? Does none of that warrant consideration? He's been an All-Pro and Pro Bowler multiple times. I don't know. I just don't get it. Can anyone explain it to me?

Patjew

I was thinking about this. I think it has to do with the fact that Ty stopped being dominant in 2003 and Champ played at an elite level long after that.

Ty is one of my favorite players evah, but he hasn't been much of a factor for over 5 years.

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PatsBoy12

I hear you, and I definitely considered that too. I just thought that his playoff accomplishments would definitely have him on the list. I'm not mad that Champ is on it. I'm just mad that Champ is on it but Law isn't. If Law were on it, I wouldn't care what other corners they decided to throw on there. I just don't know how you deny a guy who has done some of the things he's done in his career, especially when it mattered most. Players become superstars in the playoffs, so I thought.

spacecrime

Because Bailey's a far superior player. Law was okay, but his best year came before his big contract, then he sucked. He did okay in 2001, and had a great year in 2003.

He has cult status here. He and Lawyer Milloy both

Lawyer was a very good CB, but not among the best, as Milloy was as very good S, but not among the best.

spacecrime

Well, if that is your criteria, then Desmond Howeard was the great player of the 1990's.

Superstars are dominant players week after week, year after year.

Sorry, I can tell you like Law a lot, and so do I, but face it: he isn't headed for the Hall and he isn't among the best.

jmt57

Looking at the list of players they put together I think there were certain quotas that could not be exceeded: no more than this many at this position, at least this many lineman - and in Ty Law's case, no more than this many from any one team.

For the Pats, the quota was no more than three players per team and he was the odd man out with Brady, Moss and Seymour on the list. My guess is that it may have come down to Law or Seymour and since Law wasn't that much of a factor the last few years he was out while Seymour was in.

PatsBoy12

Are you serious? Ty Law has over 50 career INT's. There was a period of 3-4 years where he was regarded as the best in the game by people outside of this board.

I'll bet you everything in your bank account that Law is Canton-bound. You really can't be serious. There is no question that he's a shell of himself now, but he has been among the best corners in the game for years.

So Law didn't bring it week in and week out? Besides, I never said a superstar didn't perform week in and week out. When you watch sports, however, players make a name for themselves in the playoffs. Was anyone talking about Dwight Howard before this year's playoffs in the NBA (other than the dunk contest)? Why am I even wasting my time? Tell you what, I'll take an average player who can perform and make big plays during playoff time over a far superior athlete with one playoff appearance in the last decade.

drew4008

That about sums it up. Dumb thread.

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PatsBoy12

Interesting point. Seymour has continued to play at a high level. I definitely think Law didn't make the list because he hasn't played well the past two or three seasons. Age definitely crept up on him quick. However, I whole-heartedly reject any notion that Law wasn't among the best corners in the league during his career. I watched quarterbacks completely disregard his side of the field during both regular season and playoff games. Peyton Manning even offered to deliver Law's induction into the HOF.

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