DaBruinz

2005 was an aberration. They lost Bruschi for part of the season due to the stroke. They lost Ted Johnson, literally, the day that training camp was suppsoed to start. You can't lose your top starting ILBs and expect the team to be good.

They lost the AFCCG because the referees insisted on calling PI against the Patriots and not against the Colts. Kelvin Hayden RAPED Reche Caldwell in the endzone on a catchable pass and nothing was called.

As for the SB, if you are going to say that the Pats lost because of a particular unit, you have to blame the DBs. Meriweather and Samuel both had dropped interceptions. Also, Samuel blew the coverage on Tyree TWICE. Once leading to a TD and the other time was the catch that rodney couldn't get up to knock the ball away. But Tyree was Samuel's man initially and he was in man coverage.

DaBruinz

The Patriots lost to the Broncos in 05 due to a BS PI call and a call on the Bailey interception where Watson caught up to him and knocked the ball out of bounds.

The Pats lost to the Colts in 06 because of the BS PI call against Hobbs and the non-call on Kelvin Hayden in the endzone.

The Pats lost to the Giants in 08 for a variety of reasons. The O-line played terrible and the secondary couldn't hold onto the ball or cover a below average receiver named David Tyree. And finally, the referee not making the correct call when he should have ruled Manning down on the immaculate pass and catch to David Tyree.

Your arguments suck just as badly. The Patriots also attempted to get Stewart Bradley 2 years ago, but couldn't find a partner to trade up with. You glossed over the much of the stuff that I mentioned as if its something MINOR when, in reality, its the crux of the situation. The Pats weren't able to find players that they felt met their criteria from 2004 through 2006. If you have issues with that, then come back and let everyone know when you are the HC of a team and are making the drafting decisions and tell us just how easy it is to find players to fit your system.

HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

I said the entire defense is the reason why the Pats haven't won a super bowl since '04.

The problem with the 11-5 record is that 4 of their loses came from eventual playoff teams. In addition, it also helped the Pats to beat up on 9 teams who didn't make the playoffs. And if they had better LB's, they would've been able to stop that bull s*** offense. Even when they weren't in that offense, Pennington shredded the Pats by throwing right over the middle to Fasano and Camarillo. He completed 17 of 20 passes. Absolutely pathetic.

Yes the LB's in '08 were slower than s***. Vrabel was an embarrassment, Bruschi is in denial, Mayo was fast and Thomas was fast. 2 out of the 4 starters were considered fast. When Thomas went out, Pierre Woods replaced him. Woods is slow. When Seau signed and played, he was slow. If Crable and Guyton start this season, they will be considered pretty fast as a group.

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HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

If the Pats had a better defense, they wouldn't have gone 10-6 and could have had a first round bye. The Pats put themselves in that position by not taking care of business in the regular season.

Don't forget Ben Watson getting mauled on 3rd down, making the Pats punt and the Colts eventually driving down field for the game winning touchdown. But come on, they gave up 38 points! How do you not blame the defense.

Exactly my point, the defense failed. The Pats offense carried them all season long with the defense going along for the ride. Majority of commentators and "NFL experts" were worried about the Pats defense. In fact, they would always say if teams can keep it close, the Pats defense would crack. I didn't believe at the time either, but after watching that horrific collapse on the Giant's last drive of the super bowl came back to haunt me.

Funny how you tell me my argument sucks but then you go on with this, "but they attempted to get Stewart Bradley too years ago". Also you say they didn't find anybody to fit their criteria from 2004 through 2006. I thought they they wanted Bradley? What a joke. This is exactly my point, the Pats didn't do what was necessary to get the players they wanted. They obviously didn't want Bradley that badly or they would've found a way to trade up. I don't care what they tried to do, I only care what they have done.

Fine, I'll let that one slide.

Bad calls or not, they gave up 38 points and their LB's couldn't cover the f****** TE. I'm sorry, TE's!

Yes, the entire defense blew it. I took my argument a step further in previous posts and said the entire defense is the reason why the Pats have failed to win a super bowl since '04.

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State

I agree with this. I have to look at the level of competition between Chung (PAC 10) and Delmas, whom the stop watch hamburger bellies have fallen in love with like Robert Kraft once did with Tebucky Jones. What conference did Delmas play for, the MAC? No disrespect meant, but there's a gulf there.

Chung's the real deal and to say he's a big drop-off from Delmas irks me.

State

Again, I completely agree with this football genius. Vrabel had done very, very little for us, starting with the Giants SB debacle.

Bruschi is our new senior citizen, the role filled by Seau. I have no confidence in Pierre Woods, though I do with his former classmate at scUM, Crable.

Isn't Pierre Woods the guy who gave up the SB fumble recovery to a tiny RB? The guy has no heart. No eye of the tiger look in his eye for that to occur. Pathetic.

He's forever banished from my positive perspective.

LBers for the Pats are still the biggest issue: they're too slow. We've covered up some of that weakness--or tried to--by re-making the secondary to make that now a team strength.

DaBruinz

Why didn't they have a better defense? Because Ted Johnson had to retire at the start of training camp and Bruschi had the stroke. When you lose all 3 of your starting ILBs (Roman Phifer had suffered an injury and was a free agent before signing with the Giants late in the season) your defense is going to have issues. And those are things you can't plan for.

You do blame the defense. But before you throw out your BS about you knocking the whole defense again, you were focused on BB and the LBers. Also, since I pointed out that 7 of those points should have come off the board since Hobbs did NOT actually make contact with Wayne and faceguarding isn't a rule,

Wrong. Your point had NOTHING to do with the entire defense. Your point was attacking BB for his lack of adding at LBer. And LBer wasn't an issue against the Giants. Lack of depth at CB, which forced an injured Hobbs to play against Burress and poor play by Samuel and the O-line cost the team the SB.

What is a joke is how stupid you are insisting on being. It takes two teams to make a trade. They couldn't find a team to trade with that was ahead of the Eagles. You clearly don't understand what goes into completing a trade. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting your garbage as if there was some validity to it.

Also, Bradley was in the 2007 draft. So, my saying they couldn't find someone from 2004 through 2006 that met their criteria is valid.

*LOL* How kind of you...


It was ONE LB who couldn't cover the TEs. That was Eric Alexander. And the bad calls led directly to a 21 point differential (14 on the board for the Colts and 7 not on the board for the Pats). When the referees blow it that much, there is an issue with the officiating. I would have though someone like yourself would understand that. Clearly I was giving you too much credit.

The problem with you taking it a step further is that you have gone totally away from the basis of your argument which was that BB doesn't seem to know how to draft LBers... So, which is it.. Does he not know how to draft LBers or does he not know how to draft DEFENSE. Either way, you are talking out your arse.

State

Pierre Woods hasn't shown me squat. If you think he's a competent starter in this league, I think you're mistaken.

Tully Banta-Cain is better material. Crable definitely has a future. Pierre sucks!

DaBruinz

So he hasn't "shown you squat." You aren't BB. You aren't Dean Pees. Their opinions are more important than yours.

HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

Don't forget their secondary was awful and they couldn't get after the QB. But we can save that for another argument.

Every team gets bad calls against them, the Pats aren't the first to suffer from that. The Pats had the lead late in the game but let the Colts walk right down field and score the game winning touchdown.

That's just the way it is. Teams get shafted from time time and the Pats got shafted. However, their defense had a chance to stop the Colts on their final drive and didn't. Too bad they had to settle with Alexander. Maybe they should have drafted somebody.

Both, he hasn't done a good job replenishing the talent at LB and DB. This has caused him to use such a soft philosophy when it comes to defense. They use that bend, don't break defense for a reason, they don't have enough talent. Almost every defensive play had Samuel and Hobbs lining up about 5-10 yards off of the WR because they can't jam anybody. I'm actually glad both Hobbs, Samuel and Gay are gone because they too soft. In fact, Hobbs was notorious for falling down repeatability whenever trying to cover receivers and drawing pass interference penalties. I'm talking out of my a**? 0-4 since '04 and 0-2 on stopping game winning drives on the opposing team.

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