HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

That is why they offered more money to Greg Ellis and Jason Taylor. Also, they were rumored in trading for Derrick Burgess and Julius Peppers. If they were so excited about who they have, you wouldn't see them trying to get these guys.

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DaBruinz

The secondary had 7 guys go down in the 1st five weeks of the season. Its kind of hard for the secondary to be great when you are having to play street free agents as starters.

This is just you ignoring facts. The REALITY is that the Patriots defense had stopped the Colts on the two previous drives and the offense couldn't run enough time off the clock. But, lets just ignore that. You like to ignore relevant facts and change your stance. You've done so in this entire thread.


More made up garbage on your part. Hobbs wasn't "notorious for falling down " repeatedly when covering receivers. BTW, Ty Law and Otis Smith used to line up 5-10 yards off people as well.

One thing that you can't account for is injuries. There is only so much money and so many players you are allowed to have. That's reality. If you want to be dumb and think that BB has done such a horrible job, fine. Go root for the Raiders.

Is BB perfect? Nope. But He's a damn site better than most, if not all, of the other coaches in the league.

DaBruinz

It always amazes me when people say this. One does not necessarily equate to the other. If there is good talent available, you try to add it to your team regardless of what you have. Did you ever stop to think that they wanted to add one of those four because they are better than REDD or Banta-Cain? Nope. You're dumb arse immediately assumes that they are trying to add them because they are better than Woods...

HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

And the Pats scored 27 points. What is your point? 27 points should be enough to win the game. The only change in my stance is that the entire defense failed. Big deal.

NFL Videos: NFL GameDay: Super Bowl XLII highlights

This is just one example. About 1:16 into the highlight, Hobbs falls down when he could've had an easy pick. Seriously, what the f*** was he doing on that play? However, Hobbs did get a gift from a wide open Steve Smith right after that. I'm just saying, Hobbs fell down like this a lot.

Law and Smith did give cushions from time to time, but they were able to jam receivers as well. Samuel and Hobbs were 99.9% of the time off the line because when they did try to jam, they got abused.

How come when somebody criticizes the Pats, people like you throw tantrums and suggest I should go be a "Raiders fan"?

Your're right, I wouldn't take anybody over BB. I just think he could do better.

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HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

Dude, anybody is better than Woods right now. Woods is pretty limited athletically and has been invisible when he's on the field. He gets one gift sack from Favre and people on this board thinks the guy can ball.

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It takes leather balls to lead your ST in tackles three years in a row. Pierre Woods has plenty of heart; whereas you certainly have a lack of a commodity called b-r-a-i-n-s.

When you know what fast and slow is, maybe your posts would mean something. The new, rebuilt, LB corps ranges from extremely fast, Guyton, to merely fast, Woods. All the others are in between, except for oldtimer Tedy.

MVPatsfan13

I dont mean to interrupt the cat-fight, but the link that "what up bro" posted has an interesting part near the end.(i remember thinking amani pushed off on that catch)
When its 3rd & 20 & about 15 secs left, Moss has a chance to catch the bomb that brady throws, IF HE JUMPED its almost certain he would have.
Does anybody remember the clip from a game where just after Moss catches a TD, BB comes over to Moss in the bench area and tells him to "go up and get the ball"(mabye the bengals game?).
If you watch the part Im talking about(6:39-6:42), Moss was trying to catch it in-stride, it looked like he didnt even extended his arms all the way. If he jumps, theres almost noway he doesnt come down with the ball. I dont remember if we had any TOs left and there were only about 10 secs left, but that all I can think of every time I watch the end of that game.
I've noticed since hes been here that he doesnt really like to "layout" and hit the ground on catch attempts.
OK, back to whos right...(a change in D coordinators can change how much press we do)

HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

I initially thought the same thing, but I don't think that push would have been enough for Hobbs to fall down.

I was pretty pissed that Moss looked to give up on the play. You're right, had Moss jumped for the ball, it could have been a catch. In fact, there were times this season where Moss kind of lackadaisically throws up his arms and lets the ball go over his head. I'm not sure how many TO's they had left, but I thought they had 1.

I've never seen it, but people on this board have suggested that before.

I don't think changing coordinator's would make a difference because they only run the defense Bill tells them to run. I think it's more of a change in personal. I really think Bill got my memo and brought in corners that can actually press at the line of scrimmage on a regular basis. Samuel and Hobbs got annihilated whenever they tried to do this. Because of their inability to man up and jam receivers, I'm guessing Bill was forced to have his DB's play off a lot. With that said, I hope the days of playing that soft 5-10 yards off of the line of scrimmage and allowing teams to easily convert on 3rd and 5 are over. They need to go back to their Ty Law-Otis Smith/ Ty Law-Tyrone Poole days where they did a lot of jamming at the line mixed in with some zone. This is the kind of defense that has won them 3 super bowls in four years. Being able to have DB's that can man up and jam at the line really messes up the timing of opposing offenses. I haven't really seen this since Law, Smith, Poole and even Buckley left the team. Hopefully an improved secondary will allow an extra second for the QB to hold onto the ball, thus allowing whoever they have at LB to make a play.

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DaBruinz

HUH? Only only change is that the entire defense failed? You went from claiming that BB couldn't seem to find linebackers to saying that he couldn't find LBs and DBs to being unable to draft defense at all. You might want to follow what you actually posted.

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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP? NFL Videos: NFL GameDay: Super Bowl XLII highlights

People like yourself always go to the ONE play where he fell down. And ignore the fact he was playing with a sports hernia and a torn labrum. Its too bad that Samuel let the one go through his fingers and then also blew the coverage on Tyree twice. Both of those came before Hobbs was put in that no win situation.

Also, Law and Smith regularly gave up 5-10 yard cushions. Go back and watch some of the Three Games to Glory DVDs...


Because you haven't criticized anything. You've said BB downright sucks and hasn't managed the team well. You totally IGNORE the inordinate number of injuries that they suffered at times. And its not like those injuries were minor ones. We're talking catastrophic injuries. Ones that there is no stretching or conditioning that you can do to prevent.

If anyone has thrown a tantrum, its you. Because, god forbid, you actually take into consideration all the facts or admit when you are wrong. Like you were with Bradley.

I've criticized BB plenty. But there is a difference between criticizing him and ranting on and on about how terrible he is in regards to replenishing the defense.

Please show me where I've said he couldn't do better. Everyone can always improve. But the reality is that there are forces and incidents that you just can not account for. You just do your best to mitigate them. And BB really has done a great job at that when you step back and look at it. He's put this team in position to win when it had no business being there. SB36 is a perfect example. 2005 is another one. With all the injuries they had on defense, who would have expected them to still make the play-offs. Look at last year. Their franchise QB goes down and they still put up 11 wins and just barely miss going to the play-offs.

HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

You're starting to confuse me. I'm going to make this simple for you. Because I think BB has not done a good job drafting LB/DB from 2001-2007, has caused them to eventually lose big games because of a lack of talent and depth at the position.

Sorry dude, I told you it was just one example. Do you really expect me to go through every game and show you when exactly Hobbs has falls down? Healthy or not, Hobbs isn't a starting corner in the NFL. He gave up too many big plays and drew too many penalties at critical times. I'm glad he's gone.
You're right, Samuel f***** up too, I'm not letting him off the hook either. He let a fourth string WR beat him for a touchdown which was pathetic. Also, Sanders and Samuel just watched Tyree when in fact they could have easily helped Harrison break up "the catch".

Yes, you already said this. I know they gave up cushions but they were able to jam when it was called for. The new group of DB's consisting of Samuel, Hobbs, Gay and whoever else couldn't jam if their life depended on it.

How am I wrong about Bradley? They had almost the entire third round to trade up for him but probably waited until it was too late. There were plenty of trade ups in that round. If the Pats wanted him that badly, they could've reached for him.

Because I haven't criticized anything? You completely lost me there. I'm the one on a tantrum? I'm just having fun with this back and forth talk with you and whoever else wants to throw down about how the Pats have stud's at LB. I haven't called anybody on this message board names nor have I called anyone in the Pats front office names.

I think BB could do better, while you are satisfied with BB. Why don't we just leave at that?

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